cartersmom
16-07-09, 12:54 AM
I have been reading up on things lately. It is hard to find decent info and there is so much controversy about this H1N1 strain of flu such as is it just regular flu or is it a combo of 2 swine strains like they are saying now....Is the strain distantly related to the 1918 strain?
So many questions, hard to know what is fact or fiction. Personally i belive this strain was lab created. What I want to know is no matter where it came from or what strain it is related to, what should one take if they get it??
There are natural things all people seem to agree on that would be good to take (ie garlic, olive leaf extract, grapefuit seed extract amount others) but other things seem to be steeped in controversy because they may increase "cytokine storms" which was waht "may" have killed so many young otherwise healthy people in 1918.
The 2 biggies seem to be Echinechea and Elderberry, both of which are in products I use when ill (and in prevention)
Echinechea is in both Malcolm Harker prodcuts I use and Elderberry is something I have used as well. It would seem that these things are effective against "regular" flu, but may do more harm then good in this "swine" flu.
I have read conflicting reports about this and have managed to confuse myself. It has been suggested both of these things are good to prevent infection, but if one were to fall ill with swine flu, than one should not take either of these things and focus on alternative anti-virals. Lets assume this is true...when one gets sick, how can they really tell what kind of flu they have?? I mean if they have regular flu then taking these things would be helpful, but if not may make you worse by creating a cytokine storm. Most people are not going to the doctor and are treating themselves at home so what is one to do then since they can't really know what strain of flu they have??
Here are some references that have been listed saying these things are bad:
Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6)
Echinacea - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1. (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541)
What do people think about this?? I have a load of different products in my cupboard, but want to know the best thing to take, should I or my family fall ill.
So many questions, hard to know what is fact or fiction. Personally i belive this strain was lab created. What I want to know is no matter where it came from or what strain it is related to, what should one take if they get it??
There are natural things all people seem to agree on that would be good to take (ie garlic, olive leaf extract, grapefuit seed extract amount others) but other things seem to be steeped in controversy because they may increase "cytokine storms" which was waht "may" have killed so many young otherwise healthy people in 1918.
The 2 biggies seem to be Echinechea and Elderberry, both of which are in products I use when ill (and in prevention)
Echinechea is in both Malcolm Harker prodcuts I use and Elderberry is something I have used as well. It would seem that these things are effective against "regular" flu, but may do more harm then good in this "swine" flu.
I have read conflicting reports about this and have managed to confuse myself. It has been suggested both of these things are good to prevent infection, but if one were to fall ill with swine flu, than one should not take either of these things and focus on alternative anti-virals. Lets assume this is true...when one gets sick, how can they really tell what kind of flu they have?? I mean if they have regular flu then taking these things would be helpful, but if not may make you worse by creating a cytokine storm. Most people are not going to the doctor and are treating themselves at home so what is one to do then since they can't really know what strain of flu they have??
Here are some references that have been listed saying these things are bad:
Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6)
Echinacea - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1. (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541)
What do people think about this?? I have a load of different products in my cupboard, but want to know the best thing to take, should I or my family fall ill.