The ultimate in tough love.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97CRwd_U2FU

[Serephina]

Wow, that was really intense and amazing!

I thought the slow motion replay of the elephant's birth was a bit odd and seem somewhat disrespectful. It's birth, not a sporting event.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I was okay about the slo-mo, particularly as I happened to blink the first time, and missed it. What interested me most of all was the extent to which the mother elephant went to get her baby to breath, and how she used her instincts and what humans would consider "abuse", and what no vet would do themselves, to achieve a live outcome. If vets had done that to the baby elephant and that film was put on Youtube, just think what animal rights groups would have to say? They would be shouting "abuse" and making vile comments about the vets!

[3monkeys]

Wow, how emotional.

If only humans were left to birth with the same instinct huh!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

If a mother used her instincts and treated a human baby like that in order that the baby breathe would they be done for assault? You know, anti-smacking laws and all?

[Seaweed]

It occured to me watching that, maybe the baby got knocked unconcious falling onto the concrete floor when it was born. Unreal tho'

[3monkeys]

Yeah and when it had trouble standing I was thinking, I wonder how many slippery concrete floors are in the wild?

Thats the problem MT, Drs, Governments, Systems and all have taken away a womans ability to beleive in her ability to birth and nurture her baby............ makes me so angry and so sad.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

It occured to me watching that, maybe the baby got knocked unconcious falling onto the concrete floor when it was born. Unreal tho'

It came out bum first... and was very very relaxed.

If the baby was knocked unconscious, nothing would have roused it. I wouldn't have thought the homeopathic antidote to being knocked unconscious is to be kicked around by your mother :giggle:

I doubt it was knocked out... I remember seeing another film with an elephant born in the wild, at night - big moon though.... the problem with that film was all the other elephants milling around, prevented a clear view of the actual birth. It took a while for that baby to get moving too. When that baby was born, many of the elephants were trumpetting .

That baby was born on a hard clay surface, but we couldn't see how slippery or muddy the ground got with that birth. I remember hearing that woosh though, so that must have been the same as we saw on that Youtube clip....

I also saw a Tv item a couple of years ago, where the baby didn't breathe or survive, but I can't remember the rest of that one. I got upset and looked away....

3Monkeys, I don't think that smacking a human baby around is at all necessary humanwise, for the reasons that I put in that paper I wrote.... IMO aggressive medical treatment usually comes after immediate cord clamping, and mothers don't do that... :rolleyes:

[3monkeys]

I didnt mean it in a smack ya baby round sort of way but more in that the keepers stood back and let the mother do what came natural to her to ensure her baby took a breath etc. Where as with a human baby a mother generally wouldnt be given a chance to even let her instinct cut in. The cord would be clamped and the baby would be whipped off for resus and stuff.

DH just turned up without our son................. typical male.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I didnt mean it in a smack ya baby round sort of way but more in that the keepers stood back and let the mother do what came natural to her to ensure her baby took a breath etc. Where as with a human baby a mother generally wouldnt be given a chance to even let her instinct cut in. The cord would be clamped and the baby would be whipped off for resus and stuff.

DH just turned up without our son................. typical male.


Yep. spot on. also re typical male :LMAO:

[magical1]

When I read the start of this thread I thought you had beat me to posting this one... which I guess could be seen as tough love... off the thread but this made me laugh so hard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY&feature=player_embedded

[3monkeys]

I saw that one today and laughed and lauhged and laughed. Good old Sirocco.