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[justine]

Hey Guys,

I have had a rotten week. On Wednesday I found out I had pneumonia. I had been sick for about 10 day and it all started with a flu simptons and white spots on my tonsils/sore throat. I was ill for two days then got a bit better then slowly deteriarated. I have lost 5 kg. Anyway a trip to the docs on Wed and I am better now. I have been taking Roxithromycin 150mg and they kicked in quickly. I am also taking some probotics. I had to go to the hospital for an X-ray.

I did not take any parecetomol and took only suppliments and SA. I wondered when I took 12 mg of SA on the Sunday and I did not get any gas or anything :p My liver function was slightly low and I need to go for another blood test tomorrow to test again for that.

I totally blame myself as I have been drinking way too much red wine in the evening in order to 'relax'. I have not touched any since my sickness started and will not drink like that again. My kids deserve better. I eat good and well and don't diet.

I would like to know how long on the probotics, are there any lung tonics/herbs that would make them stronger and what people do to relax. I need some ideas as I dont plan to go through this again. I have three very sprightly children 9/5/4

I am 40 not 20 :giggle:

BTW b4 antibiotics if 100 had pneumonia 33 would die (1/3)

Thanks for listening
Justine

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

So are you attributing your return to health to the antibiotics???

There are quite a few interesting experiments with animals and pneumonia... animals with good levels of vitamin C don't get pneumonia.

Alcohol not only trashes vitamin C, but it also stops the whole magnesium cycle, and does other things in as well.

sure, alcohol relaxes you, because by poisoning your system, it's reaction is to go blotto, but do you really call that "relaxing"?

My recommendation is to go to trademe, or abebooks.com and pick up all and any books you can written by Dorothy Hall. They might be old, but they are good. Go through all the nutrient sections, and really clean yourself out.

Then work on a diet which includes heaps of garlic, onions, greens, coloured vegetables and fruit.

At the first sign of flu, use the cayenne pepper mix (aka rocket fuel) , Elderberry extract if you have it. Have on hand Elderberry and zinc lozenges or propolis and honey comvita ones, for a sore through, though the rocket fuel normally chases out a sore throat.

In terms of relaxing. I don't drink at all. I don't smoke, I don't eat junk. If I want to relax, I garden, or knit or embroider while listening to an audio book from the library under the headphones, or sometimes I am read to IRL.

In my 30+ years without the ability to use antibiotics, I've had pleurisy once, and fully admit that it was my own fault. I chose to get my tits in a tangle about a family matter, and worried it and me relentlessly. The doctor was sure I would kark it, but I just used hot water bottles on both sides to relieve the sensation of my chest cavity about to crack with every breath; took heaps of vitamin C, herbal teas relating to the lungs and chest; and survived. There was about 12 hours that was pretty harrowing for everyone though.

When you can't use antibiotics, I guess you either die, or find other ways around things.

Where did you get the "one in three died before antibiotics" line?

[justine]

OK, I'm quite sure I begain to feel much better 24 hrs after starting my antibiotics. I suppose that it could have been psycological! but yes I think that they made me better.
I found that book on trade me real cheap so bought it. Thanks for that I cant wait to read it.
Can't remember the 1 in 3 thing. I think it was from a trashy website so may not even be true.

Thanks for your insights, the pleurisy sounds nasty.
Regards, Justine.

[MinorityView]

People I know who get through pneumonia without antibiotics swear by onion poultices. I've never needed to do one, but with everything online, the instructions for that are probably there, too.

[justine]

Thanks Minorityview I'm feeling much better now.

I think I may have been able to fight it myself had I any family/support/time but my husband and i are immagrents here and so have none of that. I took the easy/quick option.

Interestingly the morning i went to see the doctor I did my turn on the 'Walking school bus' walking 1/2km with 7 children, droping my 4 year old off at kindy and walking 1/2 km back. I could'nt do much after that but I did it. Amazing!

What do u do to relax?

Thx Justine

[magical1]

I took the easy/quick option.



Yeah antibiotics seem like the quick easy option but in the long run they are anything but. Too much damage control, to clean up the devastation they leave behind. I had pneumonia lots treated with antibiotics as a kid and I tell you what I got better but would get sick again soon after and much much worse. They just chucked stronger antibiotics at me. Had my mother been onto it she would have boosted me up after taking them and I would probably have come through much better.

It's all personal choice though and if it sits well with you to take them when you are sick then you made the right decision. Who am I to say that you did the wrong thing.

Just make sure now that you really really look after yourself holistically, detox and re supply your body with as many probiotic strains as you can. Take manuka honey, load up on lots of juices and raw food. Stay off the booze for as long as you can and try to have it for a treat rather than self medicating. Steer away from mucus forming foods and sugars. I'd be keeping SA really high but others may say the opposite.

Keep reminding yourself that you don't want to get sick like that again!!


Interestingly the morning i went to see the doctor I did my turn on the 'Walking school bus' walking 1/2km with 7 children, droping my 4 year old off at kindy and walking 1/2 km back. I could'nt do much after that but I did it. Amazing!



It could have been this bit of exercise that oxygenated the blood and helped you turn around... you'll never know,but sounds interesting.

[3monkeys]

Watching everyone else in my family get a hacking cough lately I think its only exercise thats kept me and Kyla (active 6 year old) from getting it. We have had days where we feel a bit crappy but all in all we are not waking 10 times a night coughing so we must be ok. Kids around the place with this cough have had it turn into bronchitis and pnuemonia so I agree, you need to have the things in place initally to be able to get on top of it.

I dont know about the 1/3 dying of pnuemonia before ABS. It could be a very skewed stat and one I wouldnt rely on. There may be so many more factors that are relevant, age, lifestyle, diet, type of living standards etc. I just don't think its a stat I would rely on without knowing more about the data.

I agree about looking after yourself holistically. And really amp up the probitiocs. My son had ABs for a staph infection a while ago and yes it cleared it up (for about 3 weeks) but as a result he had the stinkiest breath in the world. That was in June and 4 months later we have only started to see the stink go away which tells me he had 4 months with a trashed gut and its probably still not right. In the end I treated the staph using H2O2, but in saying that if I hadnt have had the first infection I wouldnt have gained the knowldege to treat the 2nd one with relative ease. So its all alearning curve and coming and asking is such a valuable tool to gaining the knowledge to beat it next time.

Wishing you a speedy recovery

[justine]

Thanks Magical and Thanks 3monkeys.
I have not had a drink for 3 weeks and dont intend to. I NEVER want to go through that again. I am taking lots of probotics and have bought lots of fresh goddies this morning. This has been a real wake up call for me and I am feeling a little guilty! I know that now I am pointing in the right derection now and hopefully no more wakeup calls for me.

As always all your advice is appreciated and I'll let you know how I go on with my new Dorothy Hall book.

Good health,
Justine

[3monkeys]

Sometimes these things can be the kick up the butt we need. My son getting sick really confirmed to me how much I have to learn.

Also ( I have no idea what I wanted to say now, my husband just started sining Bob Marley songs and it scared all thoughts out of my head)

[justine]

Bob Marley eh? With my husband It's Barry White :LMAO:
Thanks for your kind words - heres to the next 40 years :D

Justine

[MinorityView]

High death rate from pneumonia in the past?

I can think of several factors, beyond antibiotics.

First, people who got it were probably in bad shape to begin with. Elderly, very young, malnourished, or living under bad conditions.

Second, either people had no medical care, or medical care that would kill you, even if you weren't very ill.

Third, we would need to see the exact date of the stat--is it shortly before the invention of antibiotics or did they mash together the death rate over a 50 year span?

I know that anthroposophic doctors prefer to treat pneumonia without antibiotics and they rarely lose a patient--perhaps because they will use the crap if the patients don't respond to good nursing and the recommended remedies.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Justine, which Dorothy Hall book did you buy? They are all great, but it would be interesting to know. She wrote about six books.

I agree with your post above, MV.

[justine]

'Whats wrong with you'

It was $8 so quite cheap. Hopefully I will learn lots. I dont mind sharing if anyone wants to know anything from the book please mail me. I can photocopy & post if neccessary.

My liver function is back to normal :) thank goodness.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Yes, it's a nice book.

Try to get some of her others though.

Glad you are back bouncing. :D