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ema-adama
28-10-09, 03:44 PM
Med Microbiol Immunol. (javascript:AL_get(this,%20'jour',%20'Med%20Microb iol%20Immunol.');) 2009 Oct 23. [Epub ahead of print]
Possible hidden hazards of mass vaccination against new influenza A/H1N1: have the cardiovascular risks been adequately weighed?

Bhakdi S (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Bhakdi%20S%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract), Lackner K (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Lackner%20K%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract), Doerr HW (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Doerr%20HW%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract).
Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene, University Medical Center, Augustusplatz, 55101, Mainz, Germany, sbhakdi@uni-mainz.de.
Programs for vaccination against the new influenza A/H1N1 targeting many hundred million citizens in Europe and the USA are to be launched in the fall of this year. The USA is planning to employ a non-adjuvanted vaccine, whereas European nations are opting for inclusion of MF59, the adjuvant contained in an alternative seasonal flu vaccine, or the related adjuvant AS03 that is contained in a recently developed H5N1 vaccine. We draw attention to unappreciated hazards of using adjuvanted vaccine in Europe. Evidence from animal experiments in conjunction with clinical epidemiological data indicates that, quite irrespective of cause, stimulation of the immune system may accelerate atherogenesis. Application of adjuvanted flu vaccines to individuals at risk may therefore aggravate the course of underlying atherosclerotic vessel disease with all the clinical consequences. The same may hold true for other widespread diseases that are propelled by deregulated immune mechanisms. Safety trials conducted to date have not specifically taken these possible side effects into account, and unexpected serious adverse effects thus may follow in the wake of a general vaccination program. A prudent consequence would be to establish careful survey systems alongside with mass application of new adjuvanted vaccines, or to hold mass vaccination in reserve for use only in situations of true need, such as would arise with the emergence of a more virulent new H1N1 virus strain, or to use non-adjuvanted vaccines in individuals who are potentially at risk for adverse side effects.

PMID: 19851782 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


This continues to baffle me as to how it can be considered ethical. People don't even know they are being observed, as in an experiment.:mad: :rolleyes: :eek: :soapbox:


(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez#)

Japonica
01-11-09, 01:55 PM
Interesting. There was an article in a Swedish newspaper about a man in his 50s with severe heart disease who received Pandemrix and was dead 12 hours later. http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/90-aring-avled-efter-vaccinering-1.981600

There's been, last I heard, 5 deaths there...people who died within 12 hours to 4 days of receiving the H1N1 vax. All were older folks. Makes you wonder if it is triggering coronary events in some people.

Momtezuma Tuatara
01-11-09, 02:23 PM
My opinion, yes.

But the medical profession's opinion is here:
http://www.lancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)61877-8/fulltext (http://www.lancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)61877-8/fulltext)

MinorityView
02-11-09, 12:49 AM
coincidence is usually a fatal disease...or something like that.

I suppose it must be true once in a while. That someone spontaneously dies or miscarries within 24 hours of being vaccinated and there is NO link.

Japonica
02-11-09, 09:20 AM
coincidence is usually a fatal disease...or something like that.

I suppose it must be true once in a while. That someone spontaneously dies or miscarries within 24 hours of being vaccinated and there is NO link.

Yeah, well, that's the view of the officials in Sweden. Five deaths so far, within hours to max 4 days after getting the H1N1 vaccine, people in the age range 50s to 90. And the official line is "we don't know what caused these deaths...we'll have to look into it for some kind of connection."

Interestingly, when you have a pre-existing health condition, get H1N1, and die, it's from H1N1. When you have a pre-existing health condition, get vaccinated, and die, it's deemed to be the pre-existing health condition that killed you.

Momtezuma Tuatara
02-11-09, 02:03 PM
Interestingly, when you have a pre-existing health condition, get H1N1, and die, it's from H1N1. When you have a pre-existing health condition, get vaccinated, and die, it's deemed to be the pre-existing health condition that killed you.

The irony of this never ceases to raise my blood pressure

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