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Momtezuma Tuatara
23-11-09, 10:52 AM
Those who read my presentation to the doctors in May will remember why I said stem cells in breastmilk were so important.

This item in today's Herald requires comment:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/science/news/article.cfm?c_id=82&objectid=10610920



Three types of stem cells may be why breast milk is best

4:00 AM Monday Nov 23, 2009

Breast milk, long revered for the nutritional advantages it gives a newborn, could be just as vital in terms of infant development, a leading scientist will claim this week.

Up to three different types of stem cells have been discovered in breast milk, new research shows. Sounds good, right?


Dr Mark Cregan, medical director at the Swiss healthcare and baby equipment company Medela, believes the existence of stem cells means breast milk could help a child "fulfil its genetic destiny", with a mother's mammary glands taking over from her placenta to guide infant development once her child is born. Yup.....

"Breast milk is the only adult tissue where more than one type of stem cell has been discovered. That is very unique and implies a lot about the impressive bioactivity of breast milk and the consequential benefits to the breastfed infant," said Dr Cregan, who is speaking at Unicef's Baby Friendly Initiative conference this week. Which makes you ask what else they don't know about breastmilk, but going on....



His research has isolated adult stem cells of epithelial (mammary) and immune origin, with "very preliminary evidence" that breast milk also contains stem cells that promotes the growth of muscle and bone tissue.

Again, logic would suggest this, after all, breastmilk isn't just milk. It's also an immune system. Moving on.



Scientists will use his discovery, made at the University of Western Australia in Perth, to try to harvest stem cells from breast milk for research on a range of issues - from why some mothers struggle to produce milk to testing new drugs that could aid milk production


and here is where I totally lose my rag.

Why do these men, not come and talk to us women and ask how it has happened over the years, that we have taken in hand, quite a few women, and helped them breastfeed, when the medical profession has not succeeded?

Okay, we might not succeed with them all, but I can count those on one hand. Some, not discussed here, were issues which I'm convinced were above the neck line.

But phsyiologically if we eliminate the "baggage" aspect of why some women won't, can't, don't breastfeed, the primary basis of successful breastfeeding, can be summed up in four words. "Garbage in" the mouth, and "Garbage out" the tit.

What many women don't appreciate is that breastmilk is actually a very complex structure which does require very good nutrition. Not just to make plenty of good stem cells, immunoglobulins et al, but for the mother to stay healthy.

Many women who breastfeed for extended lengths of time, start to get into strife when they burn the candle at too many ends... as in "go to work, life a high life, AND try to breastfeed,."

Okay, maybe I'm old fashioned, but breastfeeding is actually a "job".


"There is a plentiful resource of tissue-specific stem cells in breast milk, which are readily available and from a non-invasive and completely ethical source," Dr Cregan said. Okay.. this is a plentiful resource, but any of it left over shouldn't be going into drug manufacture. It should be used in breastmilk banks to fulfill the potential of other babies so that mothers don't line the pockets of the formula companies.

But then again, all Australian breastmilk banks pasteurise breastmilk, which significantly reduces it's worth, so rather than a breastmilk bank, perhaps mothers with spare, need to partner up with mothers with none, who CANNOT breastfeed.

Advocates hope the discovery will help lift Britain's breastfeeding rates: only one-third of babies are exclusively breastfed at one week, the number dropping to one-fifth at six weeks. How appalling is that stat!!!



At five months, only 3 per cent of mothers exclusively nurse their babies - although the World Health Organisation recommends babies should consume only breast milk until they are at least six months old.

Rosie Dodd, campaigns director at the National Childbirth Trust, said: "This finding highlights the many factors that are in breast milk that we know so little about and that all have different advantages, such as helping a baby's immune system to develop."

Dr Cregan said the discovery of immune stem cells was the most exciting development.

"It's quite possible that immune cells in breast milk can survive digestion and end up in the infant's circulation. This has been shown to be occurring in animals, and so it would be unsurprising if this was also occurring in human infants."

British scientists warned that just because stem cells exist in breast milk did not mean they could be used to develop a therapy - the ultimate goal of stem cell research.

Chris Mason, professor of regenerative medicine at University College London, said: "It may give us some insight into specific breast diseases and is potentially valuable when it comes to drug discovery and drug development but it is fanciful to think it could provide routine therapies."
- INDEPENDENT

I seriously hope so, because right now, the place where breastmilk belongs, is inside babies.

And I don't want to see an industry arise from breastmilking like the completely irresponsible cord-blood banking industry, which deprives babies of not only 30% of their blood volume, but also valuable stem cells.

it should be standard medical practice that no cord is ever clamped until 5 minutes after birth.

There is so much bad practice in terms of pregnancy care, lousy nutrition condoned by the medical profession too much intervention in labour, blase medical attitudes about breastfeeding and wholesale vaccinations.

put that all in one pot and it's little wonder there are huge problems for our wee ones.

Rant off.

MinorityView
23-11-09, 11:56 AM
That was an excellent rant, thanks!

deesalie
23-11-09, 12:12 PM
Why do these men, not come and talk to us women and ask how it has happened over the years, that we have taken in hand, quite a few women, and helped them breastfeed, when the medical profession has not succeeded?



Why? Because we live in a patriarchal society where womens knowledge is irrelevant because men can save the day!

ema-adama
23-11-09, 06:44 PM
But phsyiologically if we eliminate the "baggage" aspect of why some women won't, can't, don't breastfeed, the primary basis of successful breastfeeding, can be summed up in four words. "Garbage in" the mouth, and "Garbage out" the tit.

Do you mean that if a woman eats a cr*ppy diet, she will have cr*ppy breastmilk? I am open to this idea, but I would also like to see more information. I know that LLL says the diet of the mother does not matter, she just needs to drink enough water. I am not sure I agree with that. It does not make sense, unless the breast is able to process pretty much anything into high quality breastmilk - which could be the case. I don't know, I haven't looked into it yet.

Also it is said that food particles do not pass through into the breastmilk, so cutting out foods won't help a baby who is colicy. Is that true? If it is not true, where can I read more?

MT - as usual, I have so much to learn.

MinorityView
23-11-09, 11:48 PM
I think that mother's food can cause problems for the baby.

My mother quit breastfeeding me because I was breaking out. Turned out it was oranges, as she discovered when she later introduced me to citrus. And, interestingly, by the time I was two or three years old, citrus was no longer a problem.

No idea how this works, but something happens.

I also discovered that certain foods would make my milk taste funny. I binged on sesame seeds and my milk became bitter. Hot cocoa was also unacceptable, although the occasional piece of chocolate caused no reaction.

Weird.

RandomName
24-11-09, 01:58 AM
Thank you for that. Very interesting info in the article, and I greatly appreciate your take on donor milk.

ema-adama: Something from food (not sure if it's the proteins or what) can indeed pass through into breastmilk. When I completely eliminated dairy from my diet, my son's eczema cleared up completely. Reintroduced it, his eczema came back.

Now I've heard that this can only happen if the mother for some reason (her own intolerance to the food, or digestive issues) isn't fully digesting the food in question. I don't know if this is true or not. I suspect not, since medications can also pass into milk, as far as I know regardless of the mother's digestive health. But I have not found good sources on the subject.

gilima
24-11-09, 08:02 AM
thanks!
I was ranting along with you:giggle:

It is sad that women need academia research to convince them to do what comes naturally or at least what should come naturally!!!

I would like to learn more about the effects of cutting the cord to soon.
2 of my babies had a short cord when they were born and due to my position, the midwife had to cut it pretty soon after. the first one, I was on hands and knees and she couldn't lay him down, I couldn't move and so she held him there till my husband came and cut him free.....
this time, I was alone with the midwife and he was born so quick...I was standing up and the cord was very short and she had to cut it so we could put him down. I checked the cord after and it was nice and thick, beautiful placenta too , just short....

Some proteins are known to cross the milk/blood barrier and some are probably due to the mother having gut and/or yeast issues where proteins that are not supposed to get into your milk do. I would like to learn more about that too, since it doesn't seem to be as simple as that...

Momtezuma Tuatara
26-11-09, 04:06 PM
Do you mean that if a woman eats a cr*ppy diet, she will have cr*ppy breastmilk?

Yes, but to qualify that, you have to remember that crappy is a subjective word. Each person's diet might vary as to "crappy". For instance, take folic acid. Breastmilk has in it, 3x more folic acid than is detectable in mothers, but if mothers are deficient, so is breastmilk. Using supplmentation, the folic acid rises fast in breastmilk.

Logically then, if a mother hasn't got good enough stores for the mammary glands to raid, Particularly if the crap diet was operative throughout pregnancy as well... breastmilk isn't going to make something out of nothing. And with vitamin D, yes there is a direct relationship between a mothers 25-OH-vitamin D concentrations and what is in the breastmilk. LLL simply don't know what they are talking about :rolleyes: Garbage in, garbage out.

... where a mother decreases phosphorus foods, magnesium levels in babies rise. Which is all good, since those babies are less fractious.

http://www.amazon.com/Breastfeeding-Guide-Medical-Profession-Lawrence/dp/0323028233/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259207123&sr=1-1

This book above, has interesting information on Nutrition re breastmilk. Expensive, yes, but if you really want to know.... One of the very obvious things was the HUGE variations in levels of nutrients from mother to mother.

Either that, or plunder Pubmed.


I am open to this idea, but I would also like to see more information. I know that LLL says the diet of the mother does not matter, she just needs to drink enough water. I am not sure I agree with that. It does not make sense, unless the breast is able to process pretty much anything into high quality breastmilk - which could be the case. I don't know, I haven't looked into it yet.A mother's bone mineral density can lessen during breastfeeding, which indicates that the body plunders minerals when a mother's diet is inadequate. However, as I said, if there is just not enough for both, thin air won't work. with women in Africa during famine, there is only so much a woman can do. Sure, she can drink, but once her body is plundered to borderline, milk supply drops and the baby starves.

Obviously. :(


Also it is said that food particles do not pass through into the breastmilk, if you read my paper, you will see that food particles are presented to the baby in breastmilk in a certain way, so as to induce tolerance.....
so cutting out foods won't help a baby who is colicy. Is that true? If it is not true, where can I read more?

MT - as usual, I have so much to learn.Nothing that can't be solved by careful searching on the internet or buying key books.

MinorityView
27-11-09, 12:25 AM
Makes sense that malnutrition in the mother will undermine the baby. This is one explanation for the high infant mortality in the past, especially among the poor. Of course being rich didn't necessarily mean a healthy, well-balanced diet, but it usually meant an adequate quantity.

ema-adama
27-11-09, 02:29 AM
I've got too many ideas on the go :(

I started your paper MT, and got distracted. I need to change my approach. I am going about it the wrong way. Slowly and steadily I will get there.... Hint taken.