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Momtezuma Tuatara
02-12-09, 02:22 AM
:nana: So of course, you MUST get the :hail: vaccine!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/h1n1-swine-flu/few-cases-of-suspected-flu-test-positive/article1383357/

Justine Hunter
Victoria — From Tuesday's Globe and Mail Published on Monday, Nov. 30, 2009 9:00PM EST Last updated on Tuesday, Dec. 01, 2009 6:32AM EST

Public health officials are warning the wave of H1N1 this fall is not nearly as widespread as suspected, leaving a significant number of Canadians who believe they have gained a ticket to immunity still vulnerable to the virus.

Last week in Ontario, fewer than one in four cases of suspected H1N1 tested positive in laboratory analysis. In British Columbiahttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/h1n1-swine-flu/few-cases-of-suspected-flu-test-positive/article1383357/#), the rate was one in three. The rest, based on samples, were mostly rhinovirus – the common cold – and enterovirus, a common flu-like bug.

In a year when Canada has collected record amounts of clinical data about influenza, the evidence is mounting that even doctors aren't very good at telling the difference between H1N1 and the common cold.

“We have been notoriously inaccurate,” said Michael Gardam, director of infectious disease prevention at Ontario's Agency for Health Protection and Promotion.

“This year is very different because we are swabbing way more than we ever would and we are more accurate than we've ever been before – and it's still not very accurate.”

With labs overwhelmed by the number of cases being sent for testing, health officials are now asking doctors not to bother testing for H1N1 except in certain circumstances, such as for pregnant womenhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/h1n1-swine-flu/few-cases-of-suspected-flu-test-positive/article1383357/#) or other people with underlying health concerns.

So most people who have had H1N1 have not been confirmed by a lab. Based on assessments earlier in the year in Australia and the United States, for every one lab-confirmed case of H1N1, there are another 135 people who have the virus.

That means thousands of cases of suspected H1N1 could be something else entirely. Even when the second wave of the virus was peaking a month ago, only half of the cases tested positive when examined in a lab.
“Most people will not have had laboratory testing on their respiratory illness,” noted Travis Hottes, surveillance epidemiologist for the B.C. Centre for Disease Control. “There is no way, just based on the symptoms, to differentiate between influenza or one of these respiratory illnesses.”

Which means people who think they don't need to be vaccinated because they believe they have already been exposed are gambling against poor odds, he said. “It's a guessing game and there isn't a good solid way to find out. We're recommending people get the vaccine unless they have had laboratory-confirmed evidence of this pandemic influenza virus.”

In B.C., the Centre for Disease Control tested nearly 2,500 specimens a month ago when the virus was peaking. As in Ontario, roughly half of the swabs tested positive for influenza, and virtually all of the flu cases have proved to be H1N1.

Every week since, the rate of H1N1 in lab tests has dropped. In B.C. last week, 34.7 per cent of the 1003 samples tested positive. In Ontario, just 22.8 per cent of the specimens tested positive last week.

“I think people, despite all the messaging, are still confused about what the flu actually looks like,” Dr. Gardam said. “The flu is really muscle aches and headaches, usually with a cough, usually with a fever, and you just feel miserable.”

Because there are a number of common viruses that mimic those symptoms, doctors and patients alike can be fooled.

B.C.'s chief medical health officer, Perry Kendall, noted there are still a significant number of cases of H1N1 around and there is still a potential threat of another wave hitting Canada in the New Year.

“Because we are on the downside of the curve, there is less H1N1 around than there was, but there is still a considerable amount of H1N1 around and it's going to be around through the winter, I suspect,” Dr. Kendall said.

“The one thing you can confidently predict, though, is that if you had sufficient percentage of the population protected, you won't see a third wave.”

Momtezuma Tuatara
02-12-09, 02:25 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE5AO3Z420091130?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&sp=true (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE5AO3Z420091130?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&sp=true)



The CDC said just over 20 percent of specimens sent for testing from patients with flu-like illness were positive for H1N1 swine flu, meaning that 80 percent of patients had something else. At the worst, this proportion was over 30 percent.

Momtezuma Tuatara
02-12-09, 02:36 AM
Yet... two weeks ago:

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5A52FU20091112?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

Swine flu skepticism demands deft response

Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:19am

By Kate Kelland (http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=us&n=kate.kelland&) - Analysis
LONDON (Reuters) - European scientists and health authorities are facing angry questions about why H1N1 (http://forums.beyondvaccination.com/news/globalcoverage/swineflu) flu has not caused death and destruction on the scale first feared, and they need to respond deftly to ensure public support.

Accusations are flying in British and French media that the pandemic has been "hyped" by medical researchers to further their own cause, boost research grants and line the pockets of drug companies.

Britain's Independent newspaper this week asked "Pandemic? What Pandemic?."
In their response, scientists are walking a fine line.

They say that although the virus is mild, it can still kill, and that the relatively low fatalities in Europe are in part the result of official response to their advice. :snort:

On suggestions of "hyping" the threat to boost research funding, they point out that while we know enough to start to protect the vulnerable, we need to know a lot more to conquer the virus, and funding for new research and drugs is vital to be equipped for future pandemics.

H1N1 (http://forums.beyondvaccination.com/news/globalcoverage/swineflu) is hitting a younger population -- adults in their 20s and 30s and children -- and the global death count so far is more than 6,000, according to the WHO.
While seasonal flu attacks about 20 percent of the population in an average year, experts estimate that even in Britain -- the worst-hit country in Europe so far -- fewer than 10 percent of people have had H1N1 (http://forums.beyondvaccination.com/news/globalcoverage/swineflu) swine flu (http://forums.beyondvaccination.com/news/globalcoverage/swineflu).

Fred Hayden, influenza research co-ordinator at the Wellcome Trust and a former World Health Organization (WHO) expert, said early planning is paying off, :ntsa: but added:

"I wouldn't characterize this as a "mild" pandemic at all. We are seeing some very unfortunate loss of life. I think it a bit early to make that judgment."

Yet the word "mild" is used so often to describe H1N1 (http://forums.beyondvaccination.com/news/globalcoverage/swineflu)'s impact in most people that it is prompting skeptical publics to ask what all the fuss is about. Why they should care? And why take a vaccine?

France's Le Parisien newspaper ran the headline: "Swine flu: why the French distrust the vaccine" and noted a gap between the predicted impact of H1N1 (http://forums.beyondvaccination.com/news/globalcoverage/swineflu) and the less dramatic reality.

"Although some 30-odd people have died....the disease is not really frightening," it said. "Dangerous liaisons between certain experts, the labs and the government, the obscurity of the contracts between the state and the pharma firms have added to the doubt."

SCENARIO REVISED DOWN

In Britain, health authorities' original worst-case scenario -- which said as many as 65,000 could die from H1N1 -- has twice been revised down and the prediction is now for around 1,000 deaths, way below the average annual toll of 4,000 to 8,000 deaths from seasonal winter flu.

A group of eminent scientists who called a media briefing in London this week to announce 7.5 million pounds ($12.4 million) of new funding for British research into H1N1 (http://forums.beyondvaccination.com/news/globalcoverage/swineflu) found their plans hijacked by reporters asking why the pandemic was so weak.

Scientists say the truth is they can't win.

The WHO has been urging countries to prepare for a flu pandemic since 1997, when H5N1 avian flu infected 18 people in Hong Kong and was stopped only after a mass slaughter of birds. The re-emergence of H5N1 in China and South Korea in 2003 fueled the urgency to get ready.

Now that it has arrived, the apparently low impact of the H1N1 (http://forums.beyondvaccination.com/news/globalcoverage/swineflu) pandemic so far may show that the planning is paying off, :pfft: the Wellcome Trust's Hayden said.

British officials repeatedly said the nation was well-prepared for a flu pandemic. It had high stocks of antivirals and orders for enough vaccines to cover its population in place very early.

Hayden said comparisons with earlier flu pandemics like the one in 1918, which killed an estimated 230,000 people in Britain and up to 50 million worldwide, were skewed by the fact that there were so few effective treatments at that time.

"We didn't have antivirals then, and we didn't have antibiotics for the high frequency of bacterial complications," he said. "We have these kinds of interventions now and they are making a difference." :bow:

At the funding briefing, Peter Openshaw, director of the center for respiratory infection at Imperial College London, dismissed suggestions that scientists were enjoying the fruits of a pandemic in the form of big grants to keep them in work.
"This is not something that we are licking our lips and welcoming," he said. "But there is certainly an enormous outbreak of scientific information that has greatly enriched our understanding of flu."

Momtezuma Tuatara
02-12-09, 02:38 AM
Just think of all those colds treated with Tamiflu and Relenza.

:ride:

MinorityView
02-12-09, 10:16 AM
This whole thing would make a great comedy show. Which group could do it justice?

Momtezuma Tuatara
02-12-09, 10:39 AM
Monty Python.

MinorityView
02-12-09, 12:21 PM
Yes, of course! I couldn't remember the name. The guys who did that amazing movie about King Arthur.

This story requires some seriously bent humor.