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Momtezuma Tuatara
29-01-10, 05:24 AM
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/177355.php (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/177355.php)

"Good" Bacteria Keep Immune System Primed To Fight Future Infections, According To Penn Study
28 Jan 2010

Scientists have long pondered the seeming contradiction that taking broad-spectrum antibiotics over a long period of time can lead to severe secondary bacterial infections. Now researchers from the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine may have figured out why.

The investigators show that "good" bacteria in the gut keep the immune system primed to more effectively fight infection from invading pathogenic bacteria. Altering the intricate dynamic between resident and foreign bacteria - via antibiotics, for example - compromises an animal's immune response, specifically, the function of white blood cells called neutrophils.

Senior author Jeffrey Weiser, MD, professor of Microbiology and Pediatrics, likens these findings to starting a car: It's much easier to start moving if a car is idling than if its engine is cold. Similarly, if the immune system is already warmed up, it can better cope with pathogenic invaders. The implication of these initial findings in animals, he says, is that prolonged antibiotic use in humans may effectively throttle down the immune system, such that it is no longer at peak efficiency.

"Neutrophils are being primed by innate bacterial signals, so they are ready to go if a microbe invades the body," Weiser explains. "They are sort of 'idling', and the baseline system is already turned on."

Weiser and first author Thomas Clarke, PhD, a postdoctoral fellow in the Weiser lab, published their findings last week in Nature Medicine.

"One of the complications of antibiotic therapy is secondary infection," Weiser explains. "This is a huge problem in hospitals, but there hasn't been a mechanistic understanding of how that occurs. We suggest that if the immune system is on idle, and you treat someone with broad-spectrum antibiotics, then you turn the system off. The system is deprimed and will be less efficient at responding quickly to new infections."

The findings also provide a potential explanation for the anecdotal benefits of probiotic therapies because keeping your immune system primed by eating foods enhanced with "good" bacteria may help counteract the negative effects of sickness and antibiotics.

Researchers have for many years understood that most bacteria in the body are not "bad." In fact, humans (and mice) have a symbiotic relationship with their resident microbes that significantly impacts, among other things, metabolism and weight homeostasis. As shown in this study, microbes also affect the innate immune response, via the cellular protein Nod1.

Present within neutrophils, Nod1 is a receptor that recognizes parts of the cell wall of bacteria. Weiser and his colleagues found that neutrophils derived from mice engineered to lack Nod1 are less effective at killing two common pathogens, Streptococcus pneumoniae and Staphylococcus aureus, than neutrophils from mice that do express the receptor.

In addition, neutrophils from mice that were raised in a germ-free environment or on antibiotics were likewise diminished in their immune responses, but this effect was not permanent: Re-exposure of these mice to a conventional environment (that is, one containing normal bacteria) restored immune function.

The team provided evidence for a potential mechanism for these observations by showing that bacterial cell wall material could be detected in the blood of normal mice, and that it influences neutrophils in the bone marrow. Finally, the team demonstrated they could improve immune function by treating both antibiotic-treated mice and human neutrophils with the Nod1 ligand - a finding that suggests it may be possible to counter the adverse consequences of antibiotics in humans.

The study was funded by the US Public Health Service.

Source: Karen Kreeger
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine

Momtezuma Tuatara
29-01-10, 05:27 AM
:previous: Why is this considered rocket science? Why have "we mere laypeople" on this board, known this for years? It won't matter, becuase New Zealand doctors will continue to prescribed antibiotics :willynilly:

We will continue to :bh:

MinorityView
29-01-10, 05:38 AM
:blinkee: Does seem as though there is a certain denseness in certain circles. :alien::shots::couch: what do you suppose they are hiding? What else might be seen if they admitted that the immune system depends on a healthy gut?

Mr. Beyondtheory
29-04-10, 08:30 AM
I remember how about 5 years ago this huge study came out, it was even published in Auckland's main newspaper "The Herald", and this study concluded that the more times a child had had ABs the more chance it had of developing cancer later in life.

The evidence was pretty stark, and obviously it must have been a very longitudinal study. And they must have taken account of other interfering factors like socio-economics, smoking, etc.

Yeah, that just makes so much sense to me. From a Homeopathic philosophical pt. of view, antibiotics are simply suppressive. They not only damp down the immune-system, or "vital force" in homoepathic terminology (which I think is more accurate when you think about it), but they force inwards the inimical force which is causing an untuning of the vital force, to use Hahnemannian terms.

So if you use ABs to "cure" your bronchitis, or glue ear in a child, then you are asking for "deeper" trouble.

Mr. Beyondtheory
29-04-10, 08:33 AM
Course that study has been buried. I bet less than 2% of NZ doctors would even remember it. And fewer would care.

They're too brainwashed by Big Pharma. They're too business orientated. As George Bernhard Shaw said, "All professions are conspiracies against the laity".

betach
15-11-10, 04:44 PM
I know this thread is old. I just bumped into it, though.

So.. as I read it, I thought, well what about those of us who have been through crazy trauma in hospital- and couldn't stop the hospital from giving antibiotics..? Will vitamin C today take care of old harm done from long ago antibiotics?
According to Thomas Levy's lecture, I believe so.. (??)

Thanks for posting the original article.

Momtezuma Tuatara
15-11-10, 08:28 PM
According to recent research, science says that antibiotics permanently alter the gut flora.

personally I don't subscribe to the mantra that the damage done is not fixable. (which could be me rationalising something, because as a child I was fed antibiotics for years. However, I've not had any for 30 years now, and am the better for it) Besides which, you can only move forewards in life.

TanyaL
21-11-10, 03:28 PM
I know this thread is old. I just bumped into it, though.

So.. as I read it, I thought, well what about those of us who have been through crazy trauma in hospital- and couldn't stop the hospital from giving antibiotics..? Will vitamin C today take care of old harm done from long ago antibiotics?
According to Thomas Levy's lecture, I believe so.. (??)

Thanks for posting the original article.

I don't have data, just an impression based on working on my health and the kids' health. For my kids, I've seen that stresses affect them quite differently, and even though the basic insults were very similar to each, different areas were affected more strongly in one vs the other. So fixing the problems is an individualized process. I'd think with gut health, it's a similar deal--you'd want to pick and choose which of the many things that have helped other people may be helpful to you based on your symptoms. Probiotic foods are basic, but occasionally some people need and do really well with targeted high-dose specific strains, food intolerances IMO are not uncommon in the general population but some people have lots and lots or do really well on the one of the gut-healing diets like SCD or GAPS. But almost everything seems healable with some reading and trial and error. At least that's my belief since I'm banking on that for myself and the kids.

betach
21-11-10, 04:04 PM
thanks TanyaL
it is helpful for me to hear and learn from other people's experiences
:)

bbrandonsmom
21-11-10, 11:04 PM
MT-you want NZ docs to pay attn to this research, we can't even get our own dr's to listen to it :)

Momtezuma Tuatara
22-11-10, 09:47 AM
I've come to the conclusion doctors dont' listen to anything logical at all.