single vaccination question and development delay research question

[concernedmama]

I have an eldest child mostly vaccinated.

I have a toddler with global developmental delay unvaccinated. Can anyone point to any research to show that based on the child's individual health history that vaccination is not beneficial to children with developmental delays?

I also need information about single vaccinations, and what is available. Is tetanus available as single vaccine in Australia? Any others?

(Please read the above in context of family court proceedings)

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

1) All vaccines are tested in healthy children. Children with developmental delay are specifically excluded from any trials, and then after a vaccine is licensed the parents are usually told that it's more important for children with global developmental delay than normal children.

2) I don't know if single tetanus is available in Australia. In New Zealand, some practices import it especially for parents who want it, but that is a private arrangment. With regard to single vaccines, the best person to ask would be a local medical practice. Just ring any practice and ask, or ring CSL Australia and ask.

In the context of a family court proceedings, the medical profession will always back to the hilt the person wishing to vaccinate. Courts rarely go against what the medical profession has to say.

[Quickening]

Not sure if those ideas are useful or not;

A research study published in NeuroToxicology, found that a Hepatitis B vaccine caused significant delays in the acquisition of critical survival reflexes in monkeys. The study compared vaccinated animals with unvaccinated controls, thirteen of the animals were given a Hepatitis B vaccine; four received a saline placebo, and three were not given any shots. The unvaccinated animals developed normally. (See attachment)

What are the increased risks a child is exposed to having GDD? There might be something in there that would make vaccination not a good idea due to those other increased risks. If that made sense.

Maybe put forth the vaccine package inserts and state that since they were not tested on children with development problems or other disabilities, there is no evidence to show how they could interact with the existing conditions.

Another idea is to search adverse reaction databases for preexisting conditions present, the adverse reactions might be more severe in clusters of children with preexisting conditions. Might find some with GDD in there?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

That study will be no use, because it's been withdrawn from the published literature.

Anything with Wakefield as an author will be withdrawn as soon as they can.

[concernedmama]

I like the vaccine package inserts idea. The Paediatrician I saw was gung ho vaccination no matter what the child's issue. Any other ideas other than vaccine package inserts. As in is there anyone out there saying anything different?

Are there any published studies relating to children with delays? Or are you saying they are excluded from the trials?

Seeing the practise nurse this week. I have a good GP originally from NZ he was aware of single tetanus injection.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I like the vaccine package inserts idea. The Paediatrician I saw was gung ho vaccination no matter what the child's issue. Any other ideas other than vaccine package inserts. As in is there anyone out there saying anything different?

Are there any published studies relating to children with delays? Or are you saying they are excluded from the trials?

Seeing the practise nurse this week. I have a good GP originally from NZ he was aware of single tetanus injection.

I'm saying that any abnormal child is deliberately, selectively excluded from all vaccine trials. You will not find any vaccine trials on developmentally delayed children.

But the more developmentally delayed a child is, the more parents are assured that vaccinations are extra important for those children.

[Fièvre]

Handicaped children and polio trials :

http://books.google.fr/books?id=qSSFWeNMVAUC&pg=PA133&lpg=PA133&dq=%22dr+howe+%22formalin+polio&source=bl&ots=3c6h4oxvmB&sig=NmXNbHXK2L9rcSpzgXWtfsNxwGY&hl=fr&ei=xp2TS6_BBo2OjAfcp_CBCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22dr%20howe%20%22&f=false

willowbrook-----Hepatitis 1957

[MinorityView]

poor kids were treated like lab rats, weren't they?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Handicaped children and polio trials :

http://books.google.fr/books?id=qSSFWeNMVAUC&pg=PA133&lpg=PA133&dq=%22dr+howe+%22formalin+polio&source=bl&ots=3c6h4oxvmB&sig=NmXNbHXK2L9rcSpzgXWtfsNxwGY&hl=fr&ei=xp2TS6_BBo2OjAfcp_CBCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22dr%20howe%20%22&f=false

willowbrook-----Hepatitis 1957

yes, true, ... but they are not the sort of trials I'm talking about. I mean proper trials to see whether or not children with various disabilities which impact on the immune system, are at greater risk than so-called "normal" children.

Absolutely, - institutionalised "imbeciles" have been atrociously treated in the past.