Vaccine Timeline

[bbrandonsmom]

http://www.aspires-relationships.com/vaccination_time_line.htm

I was looking up the 1975 Japan removal of Pertussis vax along with some other ways government handles vaccine problems and stumbled upon this timeline of vaccines and the diseases. I googled vaccine timeline and of course came up with 99% of all links toting how good vaccines are. After searching for some of the individual things on the timeline, I found it again in a few other places-mostly Asperger's web pages. Anyhow, I thought it was interesting to see sort of a summary of when the diseases became known, and some of the vaccine process and those who discovered things wrong about them.

[RandomName]

also interesting, the mention of a link between milk allergies and a tendency to react to pertussis vaccines (1983). I've never heard that before.

[RandomName]

This link cites studies about milk allergy and pertussis vaccine reaction: http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/Whooping-Cough.aspx (about halfway down). Those are from the 60s and 80s, so presumably are they referring only to whole-cell pertussis as in the DPT? Now I wonder if there's a link with acellular pertussis vaccination, as in the DTaP.

(My kids react to cow's milk, ds quite a bit more than dd. Dd did not have a severe reaction to the DTaP, but did have the strangest striped rash just at and below the injection site. So we stopped vaccinating, and have not vaccinated ds at all.)

eh, sorry about the rabbit trail...back to your regularly scheduled thread...:red:

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

In that context, these two pdfs which I've scanned from a 1972 Senate Hearing, might be interesting. I note that none of the 32 make it into the schedule.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

This link cites studies about milk allergy and pertussis vaccine reaction: http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/Whooping-Cough.aspx (about halfway down). Those are from the 60s and 80s, so presumably are they referring only to whole-cell pertussis as in the DPT? Now I wonder if there's a link with acellular pertussis vaccination, as in the DTaP.Anything with aluminium as an adjuvant, can result in allergy to any "antigen" it meets in the body, after being injected into the body.

[cartersmom]

also interesting, the mention of a link between milk allergies and a tendency to react to pertussis vaccines (1983). I've never heard that before.

All DTaP's (at least the ones licensed in the US) are grown on mediums derived from casein. If you look at the package inserts it will be listed as casamino acid or bovine casein. Casein is a phospoprotein that accounts for about 80% of proteins in cow's milk so reacting to vaccines which have been grown on mediums derived from casein makes sense to me

[RandomName]

:cripes: :thud: :irked:

Funny, our ped never mentioned that. [/sarcasm]

Not that I can complain too much. At least our ped was the one who strongly suggested I try avoiding milk when ds was young (we didn't know what was causing his eczema). And while she honestly disagrees with us about vaccination, she is good about doing so respectfully and does not hassle us.

I have to make sure dh knows this info *and remembers it*, lest the kids ever wind up in the ER with an injury and staff pushing tetanus vax. :shots::trainwreck:

*side vent* It just boggles my brain how much there is to learn. I'm reading and reading and reading on here and other places, and still there is still so much to learn, plus my brain leaks like a sieve...the retention just isn't there. And this is important stuff I need to know, especially to protect my kids. :sad: As much as I've read on the DTaP, you'd think I would've seen and remembered this rather basic info SOMEWHERE before now. But no. :gaah: I mean, it's not even complicated...with something like how our immune systems work, at least I have the excuse that it's brilliantly dizzying and also involves a lot of new vocab, when it takes me 50 repetitions to absorb the info. (well, sleep deprivation may also be part of the reason...nonetheless, I need. to. do. better.)

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I have found that for me to learn, I need to get a journal (exercise book in NZ) and divide it into sections, and write key points down about each vaccine, and where to access them. To learn requires the use of hear-gate, eye-gate, write-gate and speak-gate. That's why when teaching children, it's important to do many different ways of getting the info in the head. In my case, I also have to paint-gate :p

[bbrandonsmom]

Random, I feel the same way. I've been researching vax for almost 5yrs now, and then I'll pick up a book w/ all info I either haven't read yet, or completely forgot. I get frustrated, because I read it, so think I know it, but when it comes to defending my position on vax or what I know about them, my my blanks out. I've started writing key things down with a ref note next to it, and it's helping me. This way I have the info right there so I can grab it.
I learn more by doing than just reading something, so it makes sense for me to write the info down now, I wish I'd thought of that when I started. Though it boggles me that I can read a novel for fun and almost repeat it by word back, yet something technical just doesn't stick. Prob using a different part of the brain or learning process.
My ds had odd eczema as well starting right after his first vax, and lo and behold, ped didn't know what was causing the odd rashes. He suggested cutting wheat, not dairy, but then said it prob wouldn't matter. It was with the first and second round of vax that I started to wonder what was going on with my ds regarding the reactions to them.

[cartersmom]

:cripes: :thud: :irked:

Funny, our ped never mentioned that. [/sarcasm]

Not that I can complain too much. At least our ped was the one who strongly suggested I try avoiding milk when ds was young (we didn't know what was causing his eczema). And while she honestly disagrees with us about vaccination, she is good about doing so respectfully and does not hassle us.

I have to make sure dh knows this info *and remembers it*, lest the kids ever wind up in the ER with an injury and staff pushing tetanus vax. :shots::trainwreck:

*side vent* It just boggles my brain how much there is to learn. I'm reading and reading and reading on here and other places, and still there is still so much to learn, plus my brain leaks like a sieve...the retention just isn't there. And this is important stuff I need to know, especially to protect my kids. :sad: As much as I've read on the DTaP, you'd think I would've seen and remembered this rather basic info SOMEWHERE before now. But no. :gaah: I mean, it's not even complicated...with something like how our immune systems work, at least I have the excuse that it's brilliantly dizzying and also involves a lot of new vocab, when it takes me 50 repetitions to absorb the info. (well, sleep deprivation may also be part of the reason...nonetheless, I need. to. do. better.)

Your ped didn't mention it because they probably didn't know! I bet dollar to donuts that they have never read a package insert for the vaccines they dispense all the way through word for word. They regurgitate the info that is brought to them by the pharma reps and from the CDC. I discovered that Casein is in all DTaP's because I looked at all the inserts and read the whole darm thing, looking up anything I didn't understand or recognize ingredient wise. Doing that is actually horrifying because you learn what is actually IN the vaccines and then once you know what's in them, you research what those ingredients DO and are FOR and then you get even more horrified!!