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Momtezuma Tuatara
02-03-10, 10:49 AM
http://www.mercurynews.com/latest-health-news/ci_14490488
1 in 4 parents buys unproven vaccine-autism link

By CARLA K. JOHNSON AP Medical Writer
Posted: 03/01/2010 12:18:36 AM PST
Updated: 03/01/2010 03:24:08 AM PST



CHICAGO—One in four U.S. parents believes some vaccines cause autism in healthy children, but even many of those worried about vaccine risks think their children should be vaccinated.

Most parents continue to follow the advice of their children's doctors, according to a study based on a survey of 1,552 parents. Extensive research has found no connection between autism and vaccines.

"Nine out of 10 parents believe that vaccination is a good way to prevent diseases for their children," said lead author Dr. Gary Freed of the University of Michigan. "Luckily their concerns don't outweigh their decision to get vaccines so their children can be protected from life-threatening illnesses."
In 2008, unvaccinated school-age children contributed to measles outbreaks in California, Illinois, Washington, Arizona and New York, said Dr. Melinda Wharton of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Thirteen percent of the 140 who got sick that year were hospitalized.

"It's fortunate that everybody recovered," Wharton said, noting that measles can be deadly. "If we don't vaccinate, these diseases will come back."

Fear of a vaccine-autism connection stems from a flawed and speculative 1998 study that recently was retracted by a British medical journal. The retraction came after a council that regulates Britain's doctors ruled the study's author acted dishonestly and unethically.

The new study is based on a University of Michigan survey
of parents a year ago, long before the retraction of the 1998 study. However, much has been written about research that has failed to find a link between vaccines and autism. Mainstream advocacy groups like Autism Speaks strongly encourage parents to vaccinate their children.

"Now that it's been shown to be an outright fraud, maybe it will convince more parents that this should not be a concern," said Freed, whose study appears in the April issue of Pediatrics, released Monday.

Some doctors are taking a tough stand, asking vaccine-refusing parents to find other doctors and calling such parents "selfish."

A statement from a group practice near Philadelphia outlines its doctors' adamant support for government recommended vaccines and their belief that "vaccines do not cause autism or other developmental disabilities."
"Furthermore, by not vaccinating your child you are taking selfish advantage of thousands of other who do vaccinate their children ... We feel such an attitude to be self-centered and unacceptable," the statement says, urging those who "absolutely refuse" vaccines to find another physician.

"We call it the manifesto," said Dr. Bradley Dyer of All Star Pediatrics in Lionville, Pa.

Dozens of doctors have asked to distribute the statement, Dyer said, and only a handful of parents have taken their children elsewhere.

"Parents have said, 'Thank you for saying that. We feel much better about it,'" Dyer said.

The new study is based on an online survey of parents with children 17 and younger. It used a sample from a randomly selected pool of nationally representative participants. Households were given Internet access if they didn't already have it to make sure families of all incomes were included. Vaccines weren't mentioned in the survey invitation and vaccine questions were among others on unrelated topics.

Twenty-five percent of the parents said they agreed "some vaccines cause autism in healthy children." Among mothers, 29 percent agreed with that statement; among fathers, it was 17 percent.

Nearly 12 percent of the parents said they'd refused a vaccine for their children that a doctor recommended. Of those, 56 percent said they'd refused the relatively new vaccine against human papillomavirus, or HPV, which can cause cervical cancer. Others refused vaccines against meningococcal disease (32 percent), chickenpox (32 percent) and measles-mumps-rubella (18 percent).

Parents who refused the HPV vaccine, recommended for girls since 2006, cited various reasons.

Parents who refused the MMR vaccine, the shot most feared for its spurious autism link, said they'd read or heard about problems with it or felt its risks were too great.

The findings will help doctors craft better ways to talk with parents, said Dr. Gary S. Marshall of the University of Louisville School of Medicine and author of a vaccine handbook for doctors.

"For our children's sake, we have to think like scientists," said Marshall, who was not involved in the new study. "We need to do a better job presenting the data so parents understand how scientists have reached this conclusion that vaccines don't cause autism."

MinorityView
02-03-10, 10:54 AM
Where are they discussing the science of vaccines?

This is all about the science of conducting surveys and manipulating public opinion.

bbrandonsmom
03-03-10, 06:03 AM
It's a news article-they don't have to list any proof I guess. These articles are what make me mad though. People just read and believe it, and chose not to think beyond it.

Japonica
03-03-10, 01:32 PM
A statement from a group practice near Philadelphia outlines its doctors' adamant support for government recommended vaccines and their belief that "vaccines do not cause autism or other developmental disabilities."
"Furthermore, by not vaccinating your child you are taking selfish advantage of thousands of other who do vaccinate their children ... We feel such an attitude to be self-centered and unacceptable," the statement says, urging those who "absolutely refuse" vaccines to find another physician.

"We call it the manifesto," said Dr. Bradley Dyer of All Star Pediatrics in Lionville, Pa.

Dozens of doctors have asked to distribute the statement, Dyer said, and only a handful of parents have taken their children elsewhere.

"Parents have said, 'Thank you for saying that. We feel much better about it,'" Dyer said.

Yeah, these must be the parents who do not have the capacity for critical thought...whatever their opinion on vaccines, if I were a parent in a medical practice that told me in essence, "You do NOT have a choice about your child's health care in any way. You do as we say or you and your 'unacceptable' attitude are out of here," that would be a huge red flag.

Seriously...why would it stop with vaccines? Any practice that tells parents to follow their orders or leave is not going to compromise or work with parents in any area of their kids' care.

And parents cheered and said "We feel much better about it." Wow. Good for them. Might as well sign over parental authority to the ped while they're at it.

cartersmom
04-03-10, 12:25 AM
Yeah, these must be the parents who do not have the capacity for critical thought...whatever their opinion on vaccines, if I were a parent in a medical practice that told me in essence, "You do NOT have a choice about your child's health care in any way. You do as we say or you and your 'unacceptable' attitude are out of here," that would be a huge red flag.

Seriously...why would it stop with vaccines? Any practice that tells parents to follow their orders or leave is not going to compromise or work with parents in any area of their kids' care.

And parents cheered and said "We feel much better about it." Wow. Good for them. Might as well sign over parental authority to the ped while they're at it.

Seriously! I left a practice that "tolerated" our not vaxing, but asked me to sign ridiculous things. One of them was an "office policy" that stated if my child had a fever over 102 or something that I HAD to bring him in because he was was unvaccinated. First of all that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Fever itself is not a symptom to be feared and certainly fever in an unvaccinated child vs one who is fully vaccinated is irrelevant. I think the thinking was that any fever in an unvaxed kid could mean meningitis or something. BAH :blahblah:. That is not why I left however as I figured how would they even know if my child had a fever over 102 if I didn't call them about it. If I was worried enough to call them about it I suppose they would insist on me bringing him in. The final straw was the statement they wanted me to sign that not vaccinating my child placed him and other children at risk for serious illness and death. I asked if they made vaccinating parents sign the same form since the same risks apply. I even crossed out the parts I didn't like and said I would sign that. They said ok, we can have your version in the chart, but we alos have to have ours. :coco:. I said SEE YA LATER...I go to a doc now (very rarely since most of his care is via our ND) who is ok with us not vaxing and has not made us sign anything.

bbrandonsmom
05-03-10, 05:35 AM
Wow, I haven't had to sign any forms yet, though I did sort of quit going to our one dr. I stopped seeing another dr, because of our unvaccinated status-when ds got sick he basically called us child abusers. it's ridiculous and can be frightful. I mentioned to some one that I felt dr's should have to sign a form similar to the one you are talking about cartersmom, and that they (the dr), should be responsible for adverse reactions due the vaccine. I was told a dr would never sign such a waiver and shouldn't have to-it's the parents choice and the parent who is responsible. Well, what about the dr's accountability?

Barefoot
06-03-10, 03:20 AM
This form usually works to shut these Doctors up in England.
They won't sign it of course but it exposes their own hypocricy like a charm.
see
http://www.childrensfurniture.co.uk/vaccinationliabilityform.pdf