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Momtezuma Tuatara
15-07-10, 04:43 AM
Accepting That Good Parents May Plant Bad Seeds
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.

Published: July 12, 2010





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Patty McCormack, left, and Nancy Kelly in the 1956 film “The Bad Seed.”



“I don’t know what I’ve done wrong,” the patient told me.

She was an intelligent and articulate woman in her early 40s who came to see me for depression and anxiety (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/symptoms/stress-and-anxiety/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier). In discussing the stresses she faced, it was clear that her teenage son had been front and center for many years.

When he was growing up, she explained, he fought frequently with other children, had few close friends, and had a reputation for being mean. She always hoped he would change, but now that he was almost 17, she had a sinking feeling.

I asked her what she meant by mean. “I hate to admit it, but he is unkind and unsympathetic to people,” she said, as I recall. He was rude and defiant at home, and often verbally abusive to family members.

Along the way, she had him evaluated by many child psychiatrists (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/psychiatry_and_psychiatrists/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier), with several extensive neuropsychological tests. The results were always the same: he tested in the intellectually superior range, with no evidence of any learning disability or mental illness. Naturally, she wondered if she and her husband were somehow remiss as parents.

Here, it seems, they did not fare as well as their son under psychiatric scrutiny. One therapist noted that they were not entirely consistent around their son, especially when it came to discipline; she was generally more permissive than her husband. Another therapist suggested that the father was not around enough and hinted that he was not a strong role model for his son.

But there was one small problem with these explanations: this supposedly suboptimal couple had managed to raise two other well-adjusted and perfectly nice boys. How could they have pulled that off if they were such bad parents?

To be sure, they had a fundamentally different relationship with their difficult child. My patient would be the first to admit that she was often angry with him, something she rarely experienced with his brothers.

But that left open a fundamental question: If the young man did not suffer from any demonstrable psychiatric disorder, just what was his problem?

My answer may sound heretical, coming from a psychiatrist. After all, our bent is to see misbehavior as psychopathology that needs treatment; there is no such thing as a bad person, just a sick one.
But maybe this young man was just not a nice person.

For years, mental health (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/mentalhealthanddisorders/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) professionals were trained to see children as mere products of their environment who were intrinsically good until influenced otherwise; where there is chronic bad behavior, there must be a bad parent behind it.

But while I do not mean to let bad parents off the hook — sadly, there are all too many of them, from malignant to merely apathetic — the fact remains that perfectly decent parents can produce toxic children.

When I say “toxic,” I don’t mean psychopathic — those children who blossom into petty criminals, killers and everything in between. Much has been written about psychopaths in the scientific literature, including their frequent histories of childhood abuse, their early penchant for violating rules and their cruelty toward peers and animals. There are even some interesting studies (http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/334/7595/678) suggesting that such antisocial behavior can be modified with parental coaching.

But there is little, if anything, in peer-reviewed journals about the paradox of good parents with toxic children.

Another patient told me about his son, now 35, who despite his many advantages was short-tempered and rude to his parents — refusing to return their phone calls and e-mail, even when his mother was gravely ill.

“We have racked our brains trying to figure why our son treats us this way,” he told me. “We don’t know what we did to deserve this.”

Apparently very little, as far as I could tell.

We marvel at the resilient child who survives the most toxic parents and home environment and goes on to a life of success. Yet the converse — the notion that some children might be the bad seeds of more or less decent parents — is hard to take.

It goes against the grain not just because it seems like such a grim and pessimistic judgment, but because it violates a prevailing social belief that people have a nearly limitless potential for change and self-improvement. After all, we are the culture of Baby Einstein (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/24/education/24baby.html), the video product that promised — and spectacularly failed — to make geniuses of all our infants.

Not everyone is going to turn out to be brilliant — any more than everyone will turn out nice and loving. And that is not necessarily because of parental failure or an impoverished environment. It is because everyday character traits, like all human behavior, have hard-wired and genetic components that cannot be molded entirely by the best environment, let alone the best psychotherapists.

“The central pitch of any child psychiatrist now is that the illness is often in the child and that the family responses may aggravate the scene but not wholly create it,” said my colleague Dr. Theodore Shapiro, a child psychiatrist at Weill Cornell Medical College. “The era of ‘there are no bad children, only bad parents’ is gone.”

I recall one patient who told me that she had given up trying to have a relationship with her 24-year-old daughter, whose relentless criticism she could no longer bear. “I still love and miss her,” she said sadly. “But I really don’t like her.”

For better or worse, parents have limited power to influence their children. That is why they should not be so fast to take all the blame — or credit — for everything that their children become.


Dr. Richard A. Friedman is a professor of psychiatry at Weill Cornell Medical College in Manhattan.

Seaweed
15-07-10, 05:40 AM
I probably need my tin hat here but I really wonder about the effect of Tv, computer games and junk food on developing brains. :tinfoil:

Momtezuma Tuatara
15-07-10, 10:23 AM
I totally agree with you... and... not to mention some of the brainwashing that goes into secondary school along with peer group pressure.

Organic Fanatic
15-07-10, 06:53 PM
I'm working slowly on my husband at the idea of removing our tv. Its scarey how much Oliver just whips his head around as soon as we turn it on he becomes in awe of it. Actually now I think of it I just need to work on myself. I survived without a tv as a child but worry that my children will fall behind without one. We enjoyed many a night listening to my mum read lord of the rings and great expectations. Technology seems to certainly have changed the way we all communicate (we wouldn't be enjoying this forum), so some is good and some is bad but I imagine has definately increased negative situations at high school. I always think though when their are bullying stories on the news, if your child is being bullied via cellphone just throw the thing in the bin!

bbrandonsmom
16-07-10, 09:53 AM
For tv, I have the same fight with my dh :) At the moment we have a compromise, which is only tv on Saturday. So that means 1 cartoon in the morning, maybe 2 and then we eat dinner in the living room and watch a show. As an adult, I think the tv habit can be hard to break. I think it's like snacking at night. We may not even be hungry, but if we are used to grabbing a late evening snack, we have to retrain ourselves to not do it. People come home from work, eat dinner and put on the tv to catch up on news, it turns into watching a movie or tv sitcom etc. I also think it's harder in the winter to break the habit than in the summer. Sorry to get away from the original post. I too though agree with Seaweed and Mt on the outcome kids with those influences, especially if they are violent ones. When I think of my parents, they never watched tv as kids, they played outside after school, they had books and board games. I don't even know when my grandparents got a tv. Kids are bombarded from infant on with all this "extra" stuff. I was looked at oddly because we wouldn't allow all those "noisy" toys and books for our boys.

Momtezuma Tuatara
16-07-10, 04:00 PM
We have a TV but never watch it. for me it's not a habit that's hard to break.

I'd toss it, if it wasn't part of a system which enables me to put old videos onto DVD.

ema-adama
19-07-10, 02:07 PM
I am not sure that all 'toxic' children can be explained away as a result of junk food and screens. I have expressed this opinion here before, and I know it is not popular.

I am sure that for some children it does not help, but there are children who do 'just fine' with really cr*ppy diets and lifestyles. My DH grew up on junk food, formula, TV, etc and is the most wonderful person. Our lives do not look anything like that now, and he is the most ardent advocate for extended breastfeeding, no TV, no junk food, family bed, etc. (Although our son has seen movies on the laptop and he has tasted cake, chips and icecream)

There just is no guarantee. Some kids just do come with their own issues. As parents we can do our best, but we don't know who we are getting when we conceive. And we can control a lot more than is commonly expected by choices in nutrition and lifestyle in general. But you cannot control it all! Bad things happen to good people all the time. Some unavoidable, some not.

Momtezuma Tuatara
19-07-10, 02:14 PM
The point of the article is, that some toxic children just "are", and I agree with that.

But I also agree that we can make a monster out of normal children, as all the parents who are eternally grateful for Feingold will attest. Even if the medical journals only caught up with Feingold last year....

ema-adama
20-07-10, 02:16 AM
MT, we are in agreement.