Momtezuma Tuatara
01-02-09, 11:19 AM
This 2001 CDC article (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm) is very interesting, primarily from the point of view that I have many articles which show that the medical profession know very little about measles disease itself. They have made a set of assumptions about measles infections, and their severity, but for those who have looked at their medical literature, it's amazing just how much "knowledge" is based on assumption.
One of the tenets of measles dogma is that measles is always clinical; disease will always be serious; and there is no such thing as subclinical measles. I have other studies (one is about 20 something years ago, with Christine Miller UK as the author) which "puzzled" over people with no history of disease, but detectable antibodies.
She even said that the continued circulation of wild measles virus in UK, could be artificially boosting the immunity of the vaccinated.
So the summary of this 2001 article reads:
A 1999-2000 measles epidemic in the Netherlands started with an outbreak in an orthodox reformed elementary school with 7% vaccine coverage. The overall attack rate was 37%: 213 clinical cases among the 255 participating pupils (response 62%) and 327 household members. The attack rate ranged from 0% for the oldest groups of pupils to 88% for the youngest, who had not been exposed in previous measles epidemics. None of 25 vaccinated pupils had clinical symptoms. Among pupils with clinical symptoms, the self-reported complication rate was 25%. These data confirm that measles infection causes severe disease and that vaccination is the most effective means of preventing the disease and its complications. The data also show that clusters of persons refraining from vaccination interfere with measles elimination even in populations with very high overall vaccine coverage (96%).
Note that no vaccinated persons had clinical symptoms.
Later lets look at what is meant by serious disease.
A lot of doctors dismiss laboratory indications of second measles infection, or reinfection, as laboratory errors. It's funny that when it matters to them, laboratory results are always accurate :giggle:but that aside...
Scroll down this page until you see this:
Laboratory Results
We observed five asymptomatic persons with serologic proof of measles infection. All had been in close contact with one or more measles patients. Two were children, one vaccinated (#5 in Table 4 (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm#Table 4.)) and one without recorded measles vaccination or history of measles disease (#4). Incomplete immunity in the presence of residual maternal antibodies may have developed in the latter child during the 1992 measles epidemic (12 (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm#11)). Two adults (#2 and #3) reported history of measles, the third (#1) reported no history of measles but might have had measles, on the basis of the year of birth. However, this person might also have had subclinical primary infection.
We assume that the increase in specific IgG (#2-#5) reflects secondary immune response in persons reexposed to measles virus, as has been demonstrated (13-15 (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm#11)). We have not been able to detect virus, either by virus culture or RT-PCR from blood or oropharyngeal swab (data not shown), from any of these subclinically reinfected persons, as was recently shown for an immune mother of an adult measles patient (16 (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm#16)). However, even if virus can be detected in blood, urine, or saliva, the critical issue is whether the virus load in these subclinically reinfected persons is high enough to transmit the measles virus.
clikc on the link above to table four, or look in the pdf below:
Note that these five subclinical cases came from this studied group here
We obtained questionnaires on 299 persons and limited information on 283 of their household members from 123 families, and we obtained biological samples from 100 persons in 26 families.
Now, if you LOOKED right across the whole country, how many subclinical silent infections would you see? Huge numbers. Of course. That's what you should expect, because all diseases have a continuum from subclinical, to mild, moderate, serious and death.
It's not the bacteria that determines the severity. In healthy people, disease severity is determined by a host of environmental factors such as diet, toxin load, stress etc. If you have an immunodeficiency, that's another hurdle, but not an insurmountable one, as I know personally, and as it states in many textbooks.
Now lets look at what was considered "serious disease" and "complications": a very heavy "burden" of disease....
This is the "serious disease and complication table." (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm#Table 5.)
or...
Otitis media
18
Pneumonia
10
Earache
5
Stomachache
3
Cystitis
1
Laryngitis
1
Severe coughing
1
No complications
113
Data missing
9
Total
162
Most of which are not serious. Since when is ear ache serious? and when our son had earache with measles, why did they write in his records, Otitis media? What is the difference between earache and otitis media? :chair: Pneumonia might be classified as serious, but you don't get pneumonia if you have enough vitamin C. Stomachache? Serious?
By May 2000, 3,292 cases of measles were reported to the national registry, including three measles-related deaths and 72 hospitalizations.
They don't state what these deaths were. and they didn't look across the whole country for subclinical disease either.
But they consider the "burden" of disease very high with a complication rate of 25% is based on self-reported complications. Are the 75% who never got any complications, a miraculous aberration?
As the summary says, this is their ultimate justification that vaccination is the most effective means of preventing the disease and it's complications.
BUT hey.... given that no vaccinated person developed "clinical symptoms" there goes the flat-earthers dogma that unvaccinated children will infect and kill all the vaccinated, and therefore those who don't vaccinate, are scientific terrorist. Sigh. :rolleyes:
To any vaccine defenders reading this. Have your measles vaccine if you want it, but don't play the illogical flat-earther card, to try to score "I'm better than you are" points, because people who know the facts, know that by playing that card, you just make your arguments look very stupid.
Article pdf attached.
One of the tenets of measles dogma is that measles is always clinical; disease will always be serious; and there is no such thing as subclinical measles. I have other studies (one is about 20 something years ago, with Christine Miller UK as the author) which "puzzled" over people with no history of disease, but detectable antibodies.
She even said that the continued circulation of wild measles virus in UK, could be artificially boosting the immunity of the vaccinated.
So the summary of this 2001 article reads:
A 1999-2000 measles epidemic in the Netherlands started with an outbreak in an orthodox reformed elementary school with 7% vaccine coverage. The overall attack rate was 37%: 213 clinical cases among the 255 participating pupils (response 62%) and 327 household members. The attack rate ranged from 0% for the oldest groups of pupils to 88% for the youngest, who had not been exposed in previous measles epidemics. None of 25 vaccinated pupils had clinical symptoms. Among pupils with clinical symptoms, the self-reported complication rate was 25%. These data confirm that measles infection causes severe disease and that vaccination is the most effective means of preventing the disease and its complications. The data also show that clusters of persons refraining from vaccination interfere with measles elimination even in populations with very high overall vaccine coverage (96%).
Note that no vaccinated persons had clinical symptoms.
Later lets look at what is meant by serious disease.
A lot of doctors dismiss laboratory indications of second measles infection, or reinfection, as laboratory errors. It's funny that when it matters to them, laboratory results are always accurate :giggle:but that aside...
Scroll down this page until you see this:
Laboratory Results
We observed five asymptomatic persons with serologic proof of measles infection. All had been in close contact with one or more measles patients. Two were children, one vaccinated (#5 in Table 4 (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm#Table 4.)) and one without recorded measles vaccination or history of measles disease (#4). Incomplete immunity in the presence of residual maternal antibodies may have developed in the latter child during the 1992 measles epidemic (12 (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm#11)). Two adults (#2 and #3) reported history of measles, the third (#1) reported no history of measles but might have had measles, on the basis of the year of birth. However, this person might also have had subclinical primary infection.
We assume that the increase in specific IgG (#2-#5) reflects secondary immune response in persons reexposed to measles virus, as has been demonstrated (13-15 (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm#11)). We have not been able to detect virus, either by virus culture or RT-PCR from blood or oropharyngeal swab (data not shown), from any of these subclinically reinfected persons, as was recently shown for an immune mother of an adult measles patient (16 (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm#16)). However, even if virus can be detected in blood, urine, or saliva, the critical issue is whether the virus load in these subclinically reinfected persons is high enough to transmit the measles virus.
clikc on the link above to table four, or look in the pdf below:
Note that these five subclinical cases came from this studied group here
We obtained questionnaires on 299 persons and limited information on 283 of their household members from 123 families, and we obtained biological samples from 100 persons in 26 families.
Now, if you LOOKED right across the whole country, how many subclinical silent infections would you see? Huge numbers. Of course. That's what you should expect, because all diseases have a continuum from subclinical, to mild, moderate, serious and death.
It's not the bacteria that determines the severity. In healthy people, disease severity is determined by a host of environmental factors such as diet, toxin load, stress etc. If you have an immunodeficiency, that's another hurdle, but not an insurmountable one, as I know personally, and as it states in many textbooks.
Now lets look at what was considered "serious disease" and "complications": a very heavy "burden" of disease....
This is the "serious disease and complication table." (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/vandenhof.htm#Table 5.)
or...
Otitis media
18
Pneumonia
10
Earache
5
Stomachache
3
Cystitis
1
Laryngitis
1
Severe coughing
1
No complications
113
Data missing
9
Total
162
Most of which are not serious. Since when is ear ache serious? and when our son had earache with measles, why did they write in his records, Otitis media? What is the difference between earache and otitis media? :chair: Pneumonia might be classified as serious, but you don't get pneumonia if you have enough vitamin C. Stomachache? Serious?
By May 2000, 3,292 cases of measles were reported to the national registry, including three measles-related deaths and 72 hospitalizations.
They don't state what these deaths were. and they didn't look across the whole country for subclinical disease either.
But they consider the "burden" of disease very high with a complication rate of 25% is based on self-reported complications. Are the 75% who never got any complications, a miraculous aberration?
As the summary says, this is their ultimate justification that vaccination is the most effective means of preventing the disease and it's complications.
BUT hey.... given that no vaccinated person developed "clinical symptoms" there goes the flat-earthers dogma that unvaccinated children will infect and kill all the vaccinated, and therefore those who don't vaccinate, are scientific terrorist. Sigh. :rolleyes:
To any vaccine defenders reading this. Have your measles vaccine if you want it, but don't play the illogical flat-earther card, to try to score "I'm better than you are" points, because people who know the facts, know that by playing that card, you just make your arguments look very stupid.
Article pdf attached.