Colonic irrigation, wdyt?

[Ayla]

I was talking to Avie the other day about colonic irrigation. I've always been sus about it but she made some good points, largely that it's a modern non-chemical way to deal with the damage done to a modern Western gut. I have not been taking care of my insides very well for the past 10-15yrs, lots of processed food and at the worst of it I was eating fast food for two meals a day everyday. I could only imagine what has backed up in there! :S So I was thinking about getting one done and taking some powdered acidophilus afterwards to repopulate my gut with healthy bowel flora. So wdyt? Is CI a load of crap (:giggle:) or is it a good way to kind of push the 'reset' button on your bowel if you're committed to improving it afterwards? (and not going back to a shitty diet) (how many poo puns can we do, do you reckon?:LMAO:)

[Serephina]

Great question Ayla. I've not had any colonics and TBH am pretty sceptical about them but I would be interested to hear others' experiences.

[Nirvana]

I have been thinking of it lately too. I am a big chicken and so not very comfortable exposing myself :giggle: but I have read that Princess Diana used to swear by it. It is supposedly an excellent, instant face makeover. Bags/circles are gone etc and you feel rejuvenated.

On Discovery I saw someone do it....the contents were really gross initially but the person who did it was very very happy once it was done. My two cents.

[MinorityView]

My grandfather did irrigation way back in the 1930s and 40s and maybe in the 1920s, I'm not sure when he started. He would do a flush out and then send in a solution containing acidophilus. Unfortunately his formula died with my father back in 1963.

The only person I personally knew who benefitted from his treatments was my aunt from the other side of the family. It is a very long story, so I'll just say that her health was destroyed by taking drugs prescribed by regular docs, she was expecting to die, and the flushes turned her around. Within a year she was healthy again.

I've had a few in my life. I have the family tendency towards difficult bowels, and it can be helpful, but I wouldn't want to do it on a regular basis.

[Aviendha]

I can't stress the importance of taking decent probiotics afterwards (with more than just milk based bacteria, but soil bacteria as well) otherwise your general health can go backwards even though you have rid yourself of a shit load of toxins. It's not a fun thing to do and be aware that it can be much worse if you are feeling emotionally fragile.

[Ayla]

Thankyou for your thoughts everyone! I emailed someone in Brisbane and she said once isn't enough and that I would need 3 sessions. Does this sound right? I was only going to have the one done.

Avie, what's a probiotic you'd recommend? I heard Inner Health Plus is not recommended, is that right?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I was talking to Avie the other day about colonic irrigation. I've always been sus about it but she made some good points, largely that it's a modern non-chemical way to deal with the damage done to a modern Western gut. I have not been taking care of my insides very well for the past 10-15yrs, lots of processed food and at the worst of it I was eating fast food for two meals a day everyday. I could only imagine what has backed up in there! :S So I was thinking about getting one done and taking some powdered acidophilus afterwards to repopulate my gut with healthy bowel flora. So wdyt? Is CI a load of crap (:giggle:) or is it a good way to kind of push the 'reset' button on your bowel if you're committed to improving it afterwards? (and not going back to a shitty diet) (how many poo puns can we do, do you reckon?:LMAO:) I had two when our youngest son was 8 months, and I was having colon impaction for whatever reason.

Edited to add that the doctor persuaded me to do them, because he said that they would do in two sessions, what 6 months of a decent diet would achieve, and he wanted the results now, not later... so you are right in that it can short circuit issues...

It certainly got stuff out, but the pressure they used was incredible.

It did the job, I guess, because our son's rash cleared up immediately.. but for me, the second one was a disaster. For some amazing reason, I ended up vomitting salt water for two days. How did that happen? How did salt water get from the colon up to my stomach? Defies belief... but something else happened. I have low blood pressure, and it lowered it further to the point of real danger. I was a wipe out for two weeks.

That is why when it comes to cleaning the colon I now do this programme (http://www.iherb.co.nz/) which works spectacularly well for me.

Though I was far to squicked out to take photos of the revolting mess that came out. Even though Spy tried to persuade me to take photos just so that she could perve... I just... couldn't bring myself to do that...

Even with the ultimate cleanse it's very important to do smoothies... and what I do is organic milk, kefir, yoghurt, yakult, multi probiotic, strawberries, half a banana and honey. It makes four glasses, and I have two of them a day.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

However, this photo here is a reasonable approximation (http://www.healthhousewholesale.co.nz/getCertainProducts.cfm?productId=58), (scroll down) though the colour of mine was darker, and it wasn't one long strand, but several short ones of about 10 inches long each time.

[MinorityView]

Weird about the pressure thing. There was a new system for doing colonics back in the 80s that just used gravity, so the pressure never got out of control.

Back when my granddad was doing it he had to be very careful because of pressure problems.

[Aviendha]

yeah, I have only done gravity fed. Yeah it does sound right to do 3 in a row.If you clear out the bottom 1/3 of your colon, it gives room for other crap to move down. Each time you do it you eliminted shit from further up the tract.

eewww vomiting salt water? that is a huge worry.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

yeah, I have only done gravity fed. Yeah it does sound right to do 3 in a row.If you clear out the bottom 1/3 of your colon, it gives room for other crap to move down. Each time you do it you eliminted shit from further up the tract.

eewww vomiting salt water? that is a huge worry.

Gravity feed? Then whats the difference between that, and an ordinary gravity feed three litre enema?

If you are wanting to remove mucoid plaque though, that doesn't move anywhere. it's "stuck" to the sides, and has to literally be peeled off.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I have been thinking of it lately too. I am a big chicken and so not very comfortable exposing myself :giggle: but I have read that Princess Diana used to swear by it. It is supposedly an excellent, instant face makeover. Bags/circles are gone etc and you feel rejuvenated.

On Discovery I saw someone do it....the contents were really gross initially but the person who did it was very very happy once it was done. My two cents.What came out?

On mine, there were chalky flakes and stuff. Supposedly the pressure was to distend the colon and try to stretch the walls so that maybe, plaque would come off, but nothing came out that looked like the stuff that the ultimate cleanse removed.

Perhaps I never had plaque then...

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Weird about the pressure thing. There was a new system for doing colonics back in the 80s that just used gravity, so the pressure never got out of control.

Back when my granddad was doing it he had to be very careful because of pressure problems. Mine was done in 1985, and used pressure... I didn't think my sphincter muscle was going to stand up to it :giggle:But the guy said that given that I was so "anally retentive" that he had such a hard job getting the tube in, he didn't think that I'd let it out again in a hurry :rolleyes:

[Serephina]

I have to admit I'm yet to be convinced on the existence of mucoid plaque. All the colonoscopy videos I've seen are of lovely pink bowels.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Well, it's quite amazing. When you do this cleanse all you are eating is fruit and vegetables from about a week before hand, so you soon get to know in what "format" that comes out.

About four days into the cleanse, you start to feel a sort of roiling almost... you do what you have to do in an ice-cream container, and there is the usual format, and then you see this amazing stringy stuff with what look like marbles coming from each side.

I wasn't squicked out enough, NOT to dissect it, and found it quite leathery, stretchy and dark and very interesting. I don't know whether something happens to it, in the process of using the herbs, and it peels off and colours, or what.

i've just done a second ultimate cleanse three months later (which is too quick I think) and none of that came out. I did get some lighter smaller stuff, and a few thin black ropes.

What was really interesting to me though, was that my eye colour changed after the first cleans. The area around the pupil to about 2 mm into the iris used to be brown, which faded out into green around the outer rim of the iris.

after all that stuff came away, within a week, that intense brown had gone, and that area is green with a bit of what looks like brown "fungus" sitting on the top edge of the inside circle in my left eye.

The area that was dark brown is now green with a slight foggy brown overlay which you can just see looking with a magnifying glass.

All my friends who are used to seeing me with brown/hazel eyes, are now seeing me with green eyes and the green on the edges with blue grey tinges, and they don't know what to make of that.

perhaps I've got rid of shit in the brain :D :D

[Serephina]

That's really interesting about your iris colour MT.

I guess I find it hard to accept because the only evidence I can find of mucoid plaque are the pictures of the stuff that comes out after the ultimate cleanse type programs. I wonder if it's possible if the psyllium, herbs or whatever is in it are actually creating the rubbery, ropey stuff?

I think I'd like to see some pictures of mucoid plaque in an actual colon to be convinced.

[MinorityView]

There is no difference between a big enema and the gravity fed colonic. But I'm not going to let anyone shoot water under pressure up my bottom.

I've heard the same thing about mucoid plaque from doctors who do surgery and autopsies. They don't see this muck on site, apparently.

At the same time, the colonics my grandpa did made a big difference for some very sick people, so he must have been doing something. Maybe it was the acidophilus implants?

[Louise]

I asked my naturopath about colonics about 18 months ago, when I was pre-ttc and she didn't reccomend them, because she thought they could be potentially damaging, but to try enemas instead.

[Ayla]

What's the difference between a colonic irrigation and an enema?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

If it was just the acidophilus implants, then why do the colonics.

Seraphina,

I'm not interested in convincing the unconvinced :D. I just know what came out of me. And having used psillium before (in 1985, just before my colon got impacted ~ was that the psillium???) and again, after that, I've never seen psillium do that. I can't imagine herbs joining together to form the rubbish that came out of my body..

Oh, the other place you can find pictures like that, is Bernard Jensen's books. He used to write a lot about cleansing colons, but I don't remember how he did it. I do remember similar photos.

I think mucoid plaque, for some people, is like vaccine reactions. I believe them when I see them with my own naked eyes :shrug:

[Aviendha]

colonic irrigation and an enema?

Apparently an enema doesn't travel very far up the colon, you have a limited amount of fluid. 3 litres doesn't really go that far. With colonic irrigation, it keeps going in until you "release", that can be as far as the illiosecal valve (sometimes even into the small intestine.

Ayla, how are you going with the recipe that I gave you?

[Ayla]

I have all the ingredients but I'm not sure whether to get a CI or not and whether to do it before or afterwards? Maybe I should give the CI a miss altogether and just do the recipe you gave me? I dunno, I'm a bit confused I guess!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

What was the recipe? Is it in a post here???

[Aviendha]

150mL Aloe Vera juice
15mL Bentonite Clay
1tbs Psyllium husks
1/2 tbs chopped flax seed
1 tsp Powdered Vit C.

Drink 3-4 x per day, eat light vego diet (generally no processed crap like pasta breads etc.)
Drink 8 glasses of water per day
Continue for 4 days

Other options:
Drink 10mL apple cider vinegar in a glass of water 2 x daily to help move bowel mucous.
Do 3 days full on and then do 1 drink per day for the rest of the week, while doing juices or raw foods only.

I like this cleanse because it's you have great stools, they are long formed (not hard), easy to pass, single wipe poos. I was doing six a day last time, in the past I have done one a day, but they were twice around the bowl and pointy at both ends.

I really am not keen on any cleanses that involve fasting as well, I think they just screw with your metabolism too much.

I am not sure which is best to do Ayla. With both I find that I get rid of so much bowel debris. I think the CI was probably more effective, but it took a lot more probiotics to get it back to a nice balanced state again.

I am going to go hide now before you all think I have a poo-fetish, lol

[Ayla]

:LMAO:@ poo fetish

I still feel uncomfortable with the idea of a CI though I must admit that being a c/s baby, bf for only 2-3mths and eating lots of highly processed non-food for the past 10-15yrs I saw it as a way to just push the reset button. I think I'll do the 4-day cleanse and see how I go. I have to swap the powdered vit C I bought tho, I got calcium ascorbate :bangshead:

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I found this pdf on a New Zealand site:

http://www.john-appleton.co.nz/pdf/WHAT-DO-YOU-KNOW-ABOUT-COLON-HYDROTHERAPY.pdf

[Ayla]

150mL Aloe Vera juice
15mL Bentonite Clay
1tbs Psyllium husks
1/2 tbs chopped flax seed
1 tsp Powdered Vit C.

Drink 3-4 x per day, eat light vego diet (generally no processed crap like pasta breads etc.)
Drink 8 glasses of water per day
Continue for 4 days

I just started this today! Blech @ the taste but I'm keen to see it through.

[bluets]

What was really interesting to me though, was that my eye colour changed after the first cleans. The area around the pupil to about 2 mm into the iris used to be brown, which faded out into green around the outer rim of the iris.

after all that stuff came away, within a week, that intense brown had gone, and that area is green with a bit of what looks like brown "fungus" sitting on the top edge of the inside circle in my left eye.

The area that was dark brown is now green with a slight foggy brown overlay which you can just see looking with a magnifying glass.

All my friends who are used to seeing me with brown/hazel eyes, are now seeing me with green eyes and the green on the edges with blue grey tinges, and they don't know what to make of that.



the iris diagnosis dudes (Kriege, Lindlahr, maybe Jensen, etc.) firmly believed that one started life with blue eyes and that junk clogging up one's system caused the eyes to turn color other than blue.

despite that, there is much in the iris diagnosis literature that correlates various physiological findings with various markings in the eyes. there are rings for Candida, blotches at key locations indicating adrenal fatigue, and so on.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Ha. I've always had rings, but interestingly, Dorothy Hall considers the rings are tension related - the coiled spring varieties :)

Rosacea is my big battle. I thought I had it beat, but I'm thinking candida now, because what I thought would work, didn't.

Having said that, rosacea appears to be one of the hardest things to sort out if you go by people who have tried everything, and nothing worked. And there's a few million of them!