Freshly Sprouted From The Patch

[natalie_sage]

Hi all,
I've just got here after my bestie bugged me about joining :giggle:I did mean to join ages ago, but I'm slack.

I'm sure I know many of you from other online haunts where the social deviants gather and plot the downfall of the patriarchy and harness the awesome power of the c--- :rock::5:(where I come from that word is not offensive...but since I'm new here and not sure if the members here are familiar with the work of Inga Muscio I dashed it out).

About me and my interest in this forum; I'm a freebirthing feminist mama who recently receivied her "dear idiot parent, you must have forgotten to shoot your baby girl up with nasty drugs we have never prooven safe and don't fully understand the long and short term effects of. Yours with perplexed concern, needle wielding pharm jockies", to which I laughed bitterly, silly me, forgetting something so important!
In any case it was a nice reminder that I need to organise my CO form.

I'm looking forward to having this place as a quick stop place of reference for all the useful info I'll need when ill-informed friends and relatives protest that I am endagering the health and safety of my child by refusing the vax. I have a particular objection to gardasil and mifepristone because I see them as such obvious attacks on my sex simply for being my sex and I grow weary (a weary filled with rage lol) of my womanhood being treated like a disease in this male-dominated world (see Ehrenreich & English 1979 (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=nEsjIUcvXqwC&dq=inauthor:Barbara+inauthor:Ehrenreich&pgis=1) for a starting point on that)

I have one daughter who is almost one year old and Natalie Sage is the name of her cabbage patch doll :giggle:But the name has really grown on me and I felt like having a new username from my other forum name.

-Natalie Sage

[Ayla]

Welcome!:D

[Serephina]

Welcome Natalie Sage. Loved your intro :D

[magical1]

I too dug your intro "Natalie Sage" :giggle:

Welcome.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Welcome natalie_sage


I'm looking forward to having this place as a quick stop place of reference for all the useful info I'll need when ill-informed friends and relatives protest that I am endagering the health and safety of my child by refusing the vax.

Those who knew me in a previous era know that the one thing that would wig me out seriously in my seven years at Mothering, is when people "drove past", and said, "I'm seeing my paediatrician tomorrow, and need information to show him as to why I'm not vaccinating. All your best sources within the next hour, and at the double."

What I'm hoping for here, is that BV will become a community of people who have researched vaccination and want to share and learn together.

and I grow weary (a weary filled with rage lol) of my womanhood being treated like a disease in this male-dominated world (see Ehrenreich & English 1979 (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=nEsjIUcvXqwC&dq=inauthor:Barbara+inauthor:Ehrenreich&pgis=1) for a starting point on that) :giggle: This made me chuckle, and I'm sure those who know me, know what I'm about to say.....

Having been treated, in the last seven years as an on-call walking help desk at other's beck and call ... I grow weary when my radar tells me that BV might now be considered a site which slackers might treat as a one stop place for answers without researching anything themselves. :eyeroll:

[natalie_sage]

err I think you misunderstood me. I appreciate having one easy to find hub of info when needed, doesn't mean I'm going to treat the forums like a maccas drive through. My enthusiasm for this place just took a dive. I clearly put thought into my intro into the forum...gave you insight into who I am and my philosophies...does that not indicate to you someone who is interested in participating in the forums???? I thought I gave an indication that my pariticpation here might be worthwhile?!

That was not very welcoming at all. How sad.

[april]

I grow weary when my radar tells me that BV might now be considered a site which slackers might treat as a one stop place for answers without researching anything themselves. :eyeroll:

Having the pleasure of actually knowing Natalie Sage I know she not a slacker. She is in fact a well read woman who has researched her birthing and vaccinating options greatly.
What an interesting thing to say and assume in an intro thread...I'm not sure how a forum is supposed to work if people are unable to come and ask questions?

Welcome Natalie Sage :) Glad to see you here :kiss:

[Mama_Kaz]

Welcome Natalie Sage :D I too know you and know that you are not a drive by information sucker ;) I hope you aren't put off by that "welcome" and stick around. There is some fantastic information around here and much opportunity to contribute your thoughts and opinions :D

[Janet]

Welcome :) People use forums as and how they need them, that's up to them and no reflection on anyone or anything.


This place is such a marvellous wealth of info your intellect will lap it up with glee!

[Ayla]

*click!* I just worked out who you are :giggle: Definitely stick around, this community is amazing! I thought it was just an anti-vax forum at first but it is so much more. It's about maintaining optimum health, and skilling ourselves in healing. It's become one of my favourite places :)

[Serephina]

I'm still trying to figure out who you are Natalie Sage... this is going to drive me crazy for the rest of the day!

[Ayla]

Here's a clue: she catches poo!:giggle:

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

err I think you misunderstood me. I appreciate having one easy to find hub of info when needed, doesn't mean I'm going to treat the forums like a maccas drive through. My enthusiasm for this place just took a dive. I clearly put thought into my intro into the forum...gave you insight into who I am and my philosophies...does that not indicate to you someone who is interested in participating in the forums???? I thought I gave an indication that my pariticpation here might be worthwhile?!

That was not very welcoming at all. How sad.

I'm so sorry Natalie_sage. To me, this intro doesn't speak of participation. I can only go by the words you put in your first post:


Hi all,
I've just got here after my bestie bugged me about joining :giggle:I did mean to join ages ago, but I'm slack.

I'm sure I know many of you from other online haunts where the social deviants gather and plot the downfall of the patriarchy and harness the awesome power of the c--- :rock::5:(where I come from that word is not offensive...but since I'm new here and not sure if the members here are familiar with the work of Inga Muscio I dashed it out).

About me and my interest in this forum; I'm a freebirthing feminist mama who recently receivied her "dear idiot parent, you must have forgotten to shoot your baby girl up with nasty drugs we have never prooven safe and don't fully understand the long and short term effects of. Yours with perplexed concern, needle wielding pharm jockies", to which I laughed bitterly, silly me, forgetting something so important!
In any case it was a nice reminder that I need to organise my CO form.

I'm looking forward to having this place as a quick stop place of reference for all the useful info I'll need when ill-informed friends and relatives protest that I am endagering the health and safety of my child by refusing the vax. I have a particular objection to gardasil and mifepristone because I see them as such obvious attacks on my sex simply for being my sex and I grow weary (a weary filled with rage lol) of my womanhood being treated like a disease in this male-dominated world (see Ehrenreich & English 1979 (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=nEsjIUcvXqwC&dq=inauthor:Barbara+inauthor:Ehrenreich&pgis=1) for a starting point on that)

I have one daughter who is almost one year old and Natalie Sage is the name of her cabbage patch doll :giggle:But the name has really grown on me and I felt like having a new username from my other forum name.

-Natalie Sage


The sentences in red gave me completely the opposite message to the one you may have meant in your head. A wonderful illustration of the way information sends different signals to different people. All your friends might know you, and might "know" that you didn't mean it that way, but I don't know you, and my interpretation on face value is a legitimate one.

I am not a mind reader.

On the other hand, had you said that you had done considerable research on your own, and were gleefully looking forward to helping everyone and contributing to a growing community, I might have understood better.

So let's start again, shall we?

Hello Natalie_Sage, and welcome.

[natalie_sage]

You took two lines out of a much longer intro. You ignored my feminism, the research I alluded to when mentioning gardasil and mifepristone, you ignored that I knew about CO forms enough to know the abbreviation of them, you ignored my humour, you ignored mention of knowing many of the other members here and sharing their place on the fringes of mainstream society.

I'm flabbergasted that my funny, intelligent intro got such a horrid response from the admin when I see you are happy enough to just say a pleasant hi in other people's much shorter intros!

Then your apology to me is to once again ignore everything mentioned above and to highlight the only two lines you cared to notice (which I have already explained to you) and then tell me how you would prefer me to introduce msyelf.

Perhaps the issue isn't my introduction, perhaps it is your quick judgments. How can anyone get involved in a "community" when they can't even get past the introduction. I am unimpressed to say the least.

I'm already online at other forums, my time is precious. I'm not willing to partiicpate in a place where this is how admin treats people. Sorry folks.

Bye.

[Mama_Kaz]

I must say Im a little shocked myself. This is an online forum. Not everyone is going to stay and participate. In fact not many will if that is the kind of "welcome" they get. Of course you want to develop a sense of community but some people join forums and realise it isnt for them others join the same forum and feel right at home. To jump all over someone's intro post because they dont sound like they are going to participate to the level you expect is just weird to me. Its not really what I would call fostering a sense of community. Its just odd. I'm sorry but I just dont get it.

[magical1]

This isn't just any old forum and respectfully to Hilary I understand where she is coming from... without being a brown noser....

The forum requires participation. No trolls, no haters etc.

It's all about you get what you give. Not.... you take and you leave.

Now I don't belive for a minute that is what Natalie_Sage intended to do. Much can be misconstrued (terrible spelling) from what someone says in type.

Come back and give us a go. You need to see that Hilary isn't judging you just telling you what she expects.I remember my ballet teacher leaving me in tears after every lesson as a child. I always asked why are you picking on me? and she said because you show promise.

[Mama_Kaz]

So shy people who struggle to participate on online forums are not welcome here? Even if they want to learn more and contribute when they develop a sense of comfort? What about busy people who struggle to find the time to be major contributors? Is there a post quota we need to meet per month to be "accepted". I still think its a silly thing to be saying in response to someone's intro. Why not just say a respectful hello and welcome and let people find their feet?? Its just not good forum etiquette.


With regard to your ballet lessons ummm we are all adults here! Not children in a class. I think its condescending and inappropriate to treat children like that let alone adults. I dont see the correlation between your story and what has been said in this thread.

[magical1]

It just served to say that sometimes when someone shows promise that they can take a bit of hard banter..... That they may be thick skinned enough to take it??

Sorry if you took that the wrong way. It just reminded me of that was all.

Ballet training (whether an adult or a child) and swimming against the tide in society takes great strength that was my comparison.

[Serephina]

Here's a clue: she catches poo!:giggle:

Thanks Ayla, but I already figured it out ;)

[deesalie]

Catches poo eh? I *think* I know who it is... but then I wouldn't have picked you for a cabbage patch person :giggle:

Anyhoo... amidst the controversy, Welcome!! :)

[Ayla]

I must admit, I agree with Mama Kaz. What does it matter why someone joins a forum? Some people join to check it out, some to lurk, some to be actively involved. It's just the nature of the beast.

[Aviendha]

Hi Natalie Sage,

Welcome! I look forward to your contribution.

Avie