MMR No Longer Available Seperate...

[LovingMama]

http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/
I saw this on my Dr. Sear's site and thought it was quite interesting. Just what exactly do they expect to happen by not offering the MMR seperated? Do they really think that parents who are questioning the vaccine are just going to say "oh well, guess we'll just have to get the regualr shot now", without looking into it further. Honestly if parents are at the point of seperating it out, I don't think they will just drop their questioning and decide to get the regular shot. I may be wrong, but I think it will cause them more harm in the end.

[cartersmom]

I agree, but the amount of people separating them must not have been gererating enough revenue for them to keep on making them.

[LovingMama]

You know, I didn't even think of that. I'm so used to thinking that they are up to no good, that I didn't even think about the basics of it not making enough money. :giggle:

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

The stupid thing is that all three are made separately, so the only "extra" effort is bottling some separately. I don't think it's got anything to do with money. I think it's a political decision to back the docs up in their mission to exonerate MMR of any possible problems.

That way, when they sort out why adding chickenpox to the MMR causes more seizures, they will be able to make the MMR a total alphabet soup.

[cartersmom]

The stupid thing is that all three are made separately, so the only "extra" effort is bottling some separately. I don't think it's got anything to do with money. I think it's a political decision to back the docs up in their mission to exonerate MMR of any possible problems.

That way, when they sort out why adding chickenpox to the MMR causes more seizures, they will be able to make the MMR a total alphabet soup.


Ahhhh that makes much more sense. They gotta do whatever they can to cover up any bad stuff @ the MMR.

[Sakura]

This question comes up a lot re: MMR vs. the monovalent shots, and MT, your point about the vaccine being already formulated monovalently is a reminder:

Does a child receiving monovalent shots receive more preservatives than if they received the MMR? Many parents are concerned that more shots automatically equals more preservatives, but is this true? Is the volume of the one shot of MMR the same as the volume of M, M and R separately?

I think that they have to "sell" it as the trivalent because it helps them to fearmonger about 3 diseases at the same time, because if people really looked at mumps and rubella individually, not many people would choose to vax for them, imo. People automatically lump those 3 diseases together because the shot is designed like that, and it behooves pharma to have that continue.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

This question comes up a lot re: MMR vs. the monovalent shots, and MT, your point about the vaccine being already formulated monovalently is a reminder:

Does a child receiving monovalent shots receive more preservatives than if they received the MMR? Many parents are concerned that more shots automatically equals more preservatives, but is this true? Is the volume of the one shot of MMR the same as the volume of M, M and R separately?I haven't looked for the answer, because monovalents are not available in this country. Would you like to look for the answers?


I think that they have to "sell" it as the trivalent because it helps them to fearmonger about 3 diseases at the same time, because if people really looked at mumps and rubella individually, not many people would choose to vax for them, imo. People automatically lump those 3 diseases together because the shot is designed like that, and it behooves pharma to have that continue.

I wrote the 17 page tome 8 years ago. Basically, those remain my thoughts today, and nothing has fundamentally changed since then.

[Spy]

Does a child receiving monovalent shots receive more preservatives than if they received the MMR?

There are no preservatives in the live viral vaccines, single, duos or tripple. Neomycin is classified as stabiliser, I think.

[Sakura]

Thanks for the PDF, MT. Confirms the adage of "always follow the money." :mad:

As for the volume of vaccine in the monovalent vs. trivalent measles, mumps and rubella vaccines...

From the package inserts:

Rubella Meruvax II:

The dose for any age is 0.5 mL administered subcutaneously, preferably into the outer aspect of the upper arm.

Mumps Mumpsvax:

The dose for any age is 0.5 mL administered subcutaneously, preferably into the outer aspect of the upper arm.

Measles Attenuvax:

The dose for any age is 0.5 mL administered subcutaneously, preferably into the outer aspect of the upper arm.

MMR:


The dose for any age is 0.5 mL administered subcutaneously, preferably into the outer aspect of the upper arm.

A child being vaccinated with the monovalents would receive 3x the volume of vaccine as compared to a child receiving the trivalent.

Which begs the question...how is it possible that the MMR has (presumably) 1/3 of the active ingredients and is still as "effective" as the monovalents?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Sakura, what are the exact ingredients which make up the 0.5 mls in each vaccine, single or component?.

"0.5" mls tells me nothing about what is in the vaccines offered. volume, isn't the issue. Constituents is.

[Sakura]

Gotcha.

Will look for that info, it's not on the package insert.

Maybe I'll be making a call to Merck tomorrow when they're open...

[Sakura]

Here is what I found for the MMR:

Each 0.5 mL dose contains not less than 1,000 TCID50 (tissue culture infectious doses) of measles virus; 12,500 TCID50 of mumps virus; and 1,000 TCID50 of rubella virus. Each dose of the vaccine is calculated to contain sorbitol (14.5 mg), sodium phosphate, sucrose (1.9 mg), sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin (14.5 mg), recombinant human albumin ( ≤ 0.3 mg), fetal bovine serum ( < 1 ppm), other buffer and media ingredients and approximately 25 mcg of neomycin. The product contains no preservative.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Gotcha.

Will look for that info, it's not on the package insert.

Maybe I'll be making a call to Merck tomorrow when they're open...

Look on Merck's websites to find datasheets.. it should be there...

[Sakura]

Meruvax:


The reconstituted vaccine is for subcutaneous administration. Each 0.5 mL dose contains not less than 1,000 TCID50 (tissue culture infectious doses) of rubella virus. Each dose of the vaccine is calculated to contain sorbitol (14.5 mg), sodium phosphate, sucrose (1.9 mg), sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin (14.5 mg), human albumin (0.3 mg), fetal bovine serum ( < 1 ppm), other buffer and media ingredients and approximately 25 mcg of neomycin. The product contains no preservative.

Mumpsvax:


Mumps Virus Vaccine Live or Mumpsvax is a lyophilized (freeze-dried) formulation of live mumps virus, Jeryl Lynn (B level) strain, cultured in chicken embryo cell culture. Each 0.5 mL dose contains over 20,000 TCID50 of live mumps virus.

Mumpsvax is packaged in single-dose and 10-dose vials along with diluent for reconstitution and subcutaneous administration. Each dose also contains sorbitol (14.5 mg), sodium phosphate, sucrose (1.9 mg), sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin (14.5 mg; presumed bovine source), human albumin (0.3 mg), fetal bovine serum (<1 ppm), traces of other buffer and media ingredients, and approximately 25 µg of neomycin. The product contains no preservatives

Attenuvax:


The reconstituted vaccine is for subcutaneous administration. Each 0.5 mL dose contains not less than 1,000 TCID 50 (tissue culture infectious doses) of measles virus. Each dose of the vaccine is calculated to contain sorbitol (14.5 mg), sodium phosphate, sucrose (1.9 mg), sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin (14.5 mg), human albumin (0.3 mg), fetal bovine serum (<1 ppm), other buffer and media ingredients and approximately 25 mcg of neomycin. The product contains no preservative.