Got whooping cough badly? the aeroplane treatment that works!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

When I wrote JALP, I wrote a page about this, but it was removed.

Today, a lady asked me about it, because her neighbour, whose vaccinated children had had whooping cough, suggested it.


So I dug out the articles, and an email I had sent to someone.


The details and the story are in the pdf attached. Remember when you read it, that this is not just some jumped up idea. The UK Air Force said in the BMJ in 1991, that they had used it for more than 40 years, and that it always worked.

Remember that, when your doctor says that this form of treatment is a myth.

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Whooping cought PDF date = 20 February 2009. This includes a whole range of information:

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5 August 2010. I've added the following:

Banks 55 a medical article on altitude treatment.
1991 BMJ letters on Altitude treatment.
Two articles from Timaru Herald in 2004, (note the comments from Dr Grant on page two :tease2:He also made similar uneducated remarks in another article in the other pdf as well.


..... and a collection of newspaper articles I collected, as well as some using google news archives, and you can see that altitude treatment was used successfully world wide.

[Sakura]

Does the time at altitude have to happen in an airplane? We have mountains within an hour's drive of here that are well over 3500 ft.

[Wonder-Full]

Good info to have on hand!

Sakura, it's needs to be 3500 metres or 10,000 feet (see MT's note about the doctor writing the wrong thing).

[Sakura]

Good info to have on hand!

Sakura, it's needs to be 3500 metres or 10,000 feet (see MT's note about the doctor writing the wrong thing).

Oops, thanks for pointing that out. I'm a bit distracted, my father is having surgery today.

It makes me wonder if they can approximate the altitude/oxygen in a chamber, similar to HBOT but creating a low pressure, low oxygen environment.

They'll continue to pump millions in to promoting a vaccine that has dubious efficacy and untoward side effects yet when faced with a fairly simple treatment, why not pursue it?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Because despite the cochrane reviews all showing that nothing they have got, works, they have to maintain control:



http://mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/CD003257/pdf_fs.html (http://mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/CD003257/pdf_fs.html)





Cochrane Database Syst Rev. (javascript:AL_get(this,%20'jour',%20'Cochrane%20D atabase%20Syst%20Rev.');) 2008 Oct 8;(4):CD003257. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/utils/fref.fcgi?PrId=3058&itool=AbstractPlus-def&uid=18843643&db=pubmed&url=http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/14651858.CD003257.pub2)Links (javascript:PopUpMenu2_Set(Menu18843643);)
Update of:
Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2003;(4):CD003257. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14583962?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus)
WITHDRAWN: Symptomatic treatment of the cough in whooping cough.
Pillay-Van Wyk V (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Pillay-Van%20Wyk%20V%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Swingler GH (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Swingler%20GH%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus).
Epidemiology, Strategic Research and Health Policy (13th Floor), Social Aspects of HIV/AIDS Research Programme, Human Sciences Research Council, Private Bag X9182, Cape Town, Cape Town, South Africa, 8000.
BACKGROUND: Whooping cough is an important cause of childhood morbidity and mortality. There are 20 to 40 million cases of whooping cough annually world-wide, 90% of which occur in developing countries, resulting in an estimated 200 to 300,000 fatalities each year. Much of the morbidity is due to the effects of the paroxysmal cough. Corticosteroids, salbutamol (beta 2 - adrenergic stimulant), and pertussis-specific immunoglobulin have been proposed as standard treatment for the cough. Antihistamines have also been administered. No systematic review of the effectiveness of any of these interventions or others has been performed. OBJECTIVES: To assess the effectiveness and safety of interventions used to reduce the severity of the coughing paroxysms in whooping cough in children and adults. SEARCH STRATEGY: We searched the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) (The Cochrane Library 2003, issue 2); MEDLINE (January 1966 to June 2003); EMBASE (1990 to June 2003) and LILACS (1982 to November 2001). SELECTION CRITERIA: Randomised and quasi-randomised controlled trials of any intervention aimed at suppressing the cough in whooping cough; excluding antibiotics and vaccines. DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS: Two review authors independently selected studies and extracted data. Our primary outcome was frequency of paroxysms of coughing. Secondary outcomes were frequency of vomiting, frequency of whoop, frequency of cyanosis, development of serious complications, mortality from any cause, side effects due to medication, admission to hospital and duration of hospital stay. Disagreements were resolved by discussion. MAIN RESULTS: Nine studies satisfied the inclusion criteria but four had insufficient data for meta - analysis of pre-specified outcomes. Studies were small and poorly reported. The largest study had a sample size of 49 and the smallest study 18. All studies were performed in industrialised settings.Eligible studies assessed diphenhyramine, pertussis immunoglobulin, dexamethasone and salbutamol. No statistically significant benefit was found for any of the interventions. Diphenhydramine did not change coughing spells (mean increase of coughing spells per 24 hours 1.9 with 95% CI - 4.7 to 8.5) and pertussis immunoglobulin no change in hospital stay (0.7 days, 95% CI -3.8 to 2.4), and a mean reduction of 3.1 whoops per 24 hours (95% CI -6.2 to 0.02). Dexamethasone did not show a clear decrease in hospital stay (-3.5 days, 95% CI - 15.3 to 8.4) and salbutamol showed no change in coughing paroxysms per 24 hours (-0.22, 95% CI - 4.13 to 3.69). AUTHORS' CONCLUSIONS: Insufficient evidence exists to draw conclusions about the effects of any intervention for the cough in whooping cough.
PMID: 18843643 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Related Articles

· ReviewSymptomatic treatment of the cough in whooping cough. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14583962?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedreviews&logdbfrom=pubmed) [Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2003]
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And of course, there will always be "health and safety" issues, such as... "but if your child had a sudden medical condition up in the plane, insurance won't cover you..."

I don't know if it's possible to approximate those conditions in a type of decompression chamber. That is the obvious solution for both hospitalised children and aeroplane phobics, but since when have doctors at the coal-face ever admitted they were wrong, and looked at practical solutions?

The ONLY response I get from them when I throw cochrane at them is this:

"So if you believe the Cochrane reviews on this, why don't you believe the cochrane reviews on vaccines?"

And here's my answer to that:

Which vaccines? You mean, the ones reviewed by Jefferson which consistently show the flu vaccine is a load of shonk?

Or the reviews of Pneumoccal adult vaccines which show the same?

Don't you still say those are brilliant too?

As to the other vaccines reviewed by cochrane, they are all different author teams, and when you have lawyers on those teams who represent the vaccine companies, you are NOT going to get any sort of factual review. Just because some parts of an organisation are honest, doesn't mean that all parts are honest.

Same in medicine. I'd get a broken arm set in plaster providing the techniques use were "reversible"... as in, if the fracture needed plates or screws, that it was done in such as way as to be removeable. I've seen far too many people have major problems with metallry left inside.

I'd get "suitable" wounds stitched, but you have to know which wounds are suitable for stitching and which are not. Finding a doctor who knows the difference is few and far between. Fortunately, I know one.

But when it comes to illnesses and chronic health issues, I'd be more than wary, because my experience with them in the last 40 years has shown me that they have NOTHING useful to offer me.

[Missys]

Hello...Just wanted to add my two cents. On Saturday, i took my children up in a plane to the required height for 1/2 an hour.
I think it has made a huge difference. Yesterday, daytime, my daughter coughed three times. Today she *might* have coughed twice. Last night she was still coughing with the whoop, but my husband said it seemed far more manageable and was quickly resolved. She still has mucus there, you can hear her go "ahem ahem' to clear her throat... BIG DIFFERENCE from the gasping panic of the whoop!! 3 weeks and four days into the disease, you wouldnt expect it to be resolving itself yet.
my baby is still struggling to clear his mucus. i see no real difference there to be honest.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Buy you are doing really well, and you know you will get through it. Babies do struggle, because their bronchials are so much smaller, but so long as he's "well managed" you will be just fine. :hug:

[Missys]

Right...5 days post flight, i am ready to decree that altitude treament works!!! my daughter is back to her normal self this morning. She woke me up standing by my bed requesting breakfast this morning...instead of waking coughing and me running to help.
We should be shouting this form of treatment from the rooftops!

[Wonder-Full]

Hey, that's great! So did you just charter a flight around your area that met the requirements?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

charter a twin-engine aircraft (about $500.00) go up to 10,000 feet and stay there 30 minutes :D

[Wonder-Full]

:D Maybe the school around the corner with the whole class with it could take all their students up on a field trip...

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

A twin engined aircraft will not fit a whole class..... As it says in that document you haven't read :D The UK Air Force has done it for over half a century, and it works.

[Nirvana]

OMG I would've never imagined a plane treatment to treat WC. Thanks a million Hilary. Great news about your kids Missy.

Wow is all I can say! I am not sure it's feasible for everyone but great to hear it works. :)

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

How's it going today, Missys? how's the baby?

[Wonder-Full]

A twin engined aircraft will not fit a whole class..... As it says in that document you haven't read :D The UK Air Force has done it for over half a century, and it works.

:D Just realised that you added extra info to the original document - I ASSumed that you'd just pdf'd up what you had in the OP (until I read my emailed copy just now ;)).

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

nevu make assumptions where I'm concerned ;) :alien: :giggle:

[Missys]

HI...yeah, You just have to get them up to 10,000ft for 20 - 30 mins in an unpressurised aircraft. You WILL see a difference within 2 days. For us, it all but dissapearred within 5 days.
My daughter still coughs a little at night, but we can expect that until the cilia grows back i think.

[Missys]

Oh, the baby is great too. cough has completely dissapeared with the older boys both day and night.
You know Nirvana, it really is feasible for everyone to do. I paid $500 for the plane, but i chartered the whole plane all 6 seats...imagine if they started whooping cough flights? Then you'd only pay about $100 for a seat on the plane. I actually rang the airfield to suggest this! As they wanted an update as to whether it had worked.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Fantastic Missys.... I'm glad you didn't think the suggestion was bonkers... :)

and you could guarantee to the pilots that they would never get whooping cough, ever... :giggle:

[Morph]

Has anyone ever tried this in a hyperbaric chamber? I'm going to contact the hyperbaric medicine department of the hospital here tomorrow to see if it's cheaper than a flight. Having difficulty finding a flight that will go to or above 10,000ft that has seats in it. A skydiving plane will do it but no seats.

[Morph]

I looked into the hypobaric chamber at the hospital this morning. Unfortunately it is hypo not hyper, meaning it adds compression as would happen diving, not decreases it as would happen in a plane. The RAAF airbase apparently have a hyperbaric chamber but I was told it was highly unlikely they would allow a civilian to use it. I didn't manage to get through to them to check. The technician I spoke to at the hospital knew of the airplane treatment, said they used to put people in chambers way back in the 1930's. It was a fairly common treatment. He said it had something to do with the air molecules being more sparse. He said it's also a great treatment for asthma. He seemed to know how it all worked, but was busy so didn't want to keep chatting. Darn it! I am so curious to know how it works!

Anyway, I found a charter plane that will take us up on Wednesday morning. Can you tell me if it's okay to be at 10,000ft or if we have to be above 10,000ft? On a high pressure system day, like Wednesday will be, the effect on the body at 10,000ft is the same as being at 9,000ft. If you fly on a low pressure day, the effect on the body can be up to 11,500 ft (depending on kilopascals) when flying at 10,000ft. So, if we fly on a high pressure day & they won't go over 10,000ft, the bodily effect being only 9,000ft, would this still be effective in eliminating whooping cough?

Also, I received an email from the charter flight company tonight requesting a fitness certificate for my husband as apparently it's law here to use oxygen if you fly over 10,000ft. If he uses oxygen, doesn't that defeat the purpose of being in an unpressurised cabin?

It's costing us in excess of $600 too. Not sure how much they will charge us to replenish the oxygen tanks.

I hope this works!

[Morph]

Found another old newspaper article for you here http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=950&dat=19391226&id=eqILAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4VQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2173,745176

It mentions successful experiments held in Holland. Off to Google more...

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

If you're going up, I'd go up properly. Oxygen won't pressurise anything. It's just like climbing Mount Everest with O2 tanks. I guess they think that half an hour creates altitude sickness? How stupid is that? You can take the oxygen, put the mask over the nose and not turn it on :D

[Morph]

GP refused to give us certificate of fitness today (and still charged us $54!!). Too scared of being sued. I showed her the newspaper articles in your pdf. She snorted (!) and said they'd hardly stand up in a court of law. She was skeptical about the flight but wanted us to let her know if it worked. Her fear (which she's now given to DH) is that he will have a coughing fit up there & get collapsed lungs. Not sure what the likelihood of that is, but it's something more to look into.

Now we're hoping that statutory declarations will suffice the charter company because that's all I can think of to do now. Surely that will be enough?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Why did you show her the newspaper articles? Wouldn't it have been better to show her the two BMJ items? After all, snorting at medical literature, and the fact that airflights are still automatic treatment in UK military is not something to be snorted at.

She's given "fear" to your husband? What sort of man is he? :hmm: Tell him :stirthepot: that if he's so sick that he could have a coughing fit and collapsed lung anyway (according to him) then an airplane flight is a joy ride. I'd forgotten you lived in a litigious country where to climb a tree might provoke a lawsuit, if climbee fell and bruised themselves. Sigh.

[Morph]

To clarify, the articles I showed her were the BMJ items. Meh, she's a GP, what do we expect? Yes all the litigious crap is ridiculous. The fear comes from any practicing scaremongering doctor. They're very good at it. The lung thing we didn't know about, she made it sound terrible. You have 4 seconds, need a chest tube, etc, etc. She was pretty good. I'll give her credit. We looked into it, decided she was scaremongering & it was incredibly unlikely & we'd take the flight anyway.

We spoke to the air charter company pilot last night & he was cool with what we were doing. No need for any certificates, etc, after all.

So, we flew to 13,000 ft, flew over the city, circled our property a few times & headed off to the big lakes by the coast. 'twas a lovely flight & the children loved it. DH didn't have a coughing fit. Now we just wait & see if it worked. Fingers crossed. It ended up costing us over $1000. :bl2:

Oh & in my research on the flights last night I also discovered the Brazilian military do it too. Couldn't find the actual articles though, just reference to it. Also found references to medical articles in German, Italian & French, but couldn't locate the actual content online.

[Tici]

Wow, Morph !

Did you do this in Sydney ?


I have absolutely everything crossed for you that it works.

[Morph]

Thanks Tici. We're in Adelaide.

[gilima]

:) oh I really hope this works for you :)

my husband recently went through medical tests and security clearance to go ahead and get his small plane pilots license.
Unfortunately, right now due to the cost he has put it on hold for a while. As soon as he gets his licence he can fly anyone who's willing to come down our way :)

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Hopefully the results are exactly the same as we've had in New Zealand. Success.

:D

[deesalie]

oooh! Looking forward to hearing some results!

[Morph]

5am the morning of the flight DH was coughing one single long cough for about 6 minutes straight, with multiple 'whoops' during it and vomiting. It was horrendous. Certainly the worst night he'd had. He was awake & coughing about 5 or 6 times in the night. He's been sleeping most of the days for the last couple of weeks.

Afternoon of the flight (we flew at 10am) he seemed more himself, more active, not tired, but still coughing. Day by day the coughing has become less intense. Last night (night 3 after the flight) he had his first cough-free night! Didn't even cough immediately on waking as has been the case for the last 3 weeks.

Today he did lots in the garden, hedge trimming, lawn mowing, shovelling. A few coughs, but not lasting as long & not as violent.

All in all, we believe the flight was successful. Very happy here! It works! It really does!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

And if you tell your doctor that, you'll be considered a lunatic. But glad you're experiencing what most of us know is the result. On the outside, it's a week, but three days sounds about right. So i'm taking it that you consider the trip worth the money. Not counting the education your kids got in the process :penguin:

[Fièvre]

in a book titled" Respirez la santé - grâce au bol d'air Jacquier" ( Grancher editions; 2007) there is an extract from Jacquier's book De l'atome à la vie where the author reported the cure of his two daughters ( one aged 18 months ) by a flight in aeroplane . This happened in 1945, in Brazil ( hello Morph !) , and was recommended , as last chance, by a brazilian physician . (I'll try to scan the hypothesis Jacquier drew from this ...)

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I would love you to post a translation of the hypothesis Fievre.

But it annoys me that it would be recommended as a last chance.

Why not, if the disease is serious, recommend it straight away?

[deesalie]

Awesome news Morph. Glad to hear he's feeling better

[Tici]

That is fantastic news , Morph ! :clap:

[gilima]

so happy and relieved to hear!!! :)

[Fièvre]

Il y eut une mésaventure familiale vécue en 1946 [here it is 1946 and not 1945 as reported in a second hand source ] par le chimiste René Jacquier : ses deux
petites filles furent atteintes d’une grave coqueluche.

En appliquant ses connaissances de base sur la physique et la chimie, le scientifique a vite
compris que dans ce type d’avion de tourisme, à cabine non pressurisée, la pression que
subissent les gaz du sang varie avec celle de l’habitacle. Par exemple, lors de la montée
brutale de l’avion, la violente dépression qui s’ensuit amène une libération accrue d’oxygène
par l’oxyhémoglobine dans le sang en direction des organes. Pour René Jacquier, c’est cet
oxygène actif et plus facilement disponible pour l’organisme qui a des conséquences très
positives sur la vitalité.
Pour remplacer l’avion, pas vraiment pratique, René Jacquier s’est tourné vers la Nature dans
le but de trouver un composé capable de fournir facilement de l’oxygène à l’organisme : le Bol
d’Air® était né. http://aeroclubnimes.free.fr/Files/o2_avion_coque_baj_1_.pdf

Cette méthode dite « strasbourgeoise » pour soigner la coqueluche, maladie respiratoire surtout dangereuse pour les jeunes enfants, a été inventée par le Dr Matter dans la première moitié du XXe siècle. Son principe est simple : monter le plus rapidement possible entre 3 000 et 3 500 mètres d'altitude, dans un petit avion non pressurisé, y rester une cinquantaine de minutes, puis redescendre aussi rapidement, en respectant un palier à 1 500 mètres.... le Dr Gabriel Lang, chirurgien orthopédiste à la retraite et pilote de ces « vols de coqueluche » à Strasbourg depuis quatre ans. cf : http://www.alsapresse.com/jdj/02/04/04/IRF/3/article_10.html


On a forum of french private pilots , http://www.pilotes-prives.fr/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3435 :

Les vols coqueluche etaient paratiqués dans certains pays de l'est jusqu'aux années '60. Avec un taux de réussite tres élevé.

Quand j'étais môme, et coquelucheux, sur prescription du médecin de famille, j'avais participé
avec 5 ou 6 autres gamins à un "vol" dans un caisson dépressurisé.
Cet équipement se trouvait à Paris dans un établissement du Ministère de l'Aviation.
Cela durait effectivement environ une heure.
Je me souviens que cela avait enrayé la maladie.

Dans les années 60-70 j'ai souvenir de cette mode. Ça marchait, et quel bonheur de revoir la maman revenir le WE suivant nous remercier. Bien sûr la plupart de ces enfants avaient plus de 4-5 ans et ils s'endormaient tout de suite (comme tous les gosses). Bien sûr il fallait tenir compte des oreilles sensibles. Mais bien sûr aussi qu'il fallait parler et rassurer les parents bien plus srèssés que le malade. En dehors du vol gratos c'était pour moi la joie de la réussite.
Mais il y avait toute une procédure dont je ne me rappelle plus.


AND !!!: the book : http://www.amazon.fr/gu%C3%A9risons-coqueluches-tra%C3%AEnantes-d%C3%A9pression-atmosph%C3%A9rique/dp/B001D2V7SS/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268135820&sr=1-9

And the last one : http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1723&dat=19520403&id=gzcqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=OEYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1986,4924192

[Fièvre]

In English , two sites , one article : http://www.jstor.org/pss/25372929 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2050486/pdf/brmedj03634-0040.pdf

this one still : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2164870/pdf/brmedj04022-0015.pdf

last one (?) : http://www.jstor.org/pss/20363392

[ research suggestion whooping cough in portugese + Dr matter ?]


I was lucky : http://www.ophsource.org/periodicals/ophtha/medline/related/MDLN.13480133

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

This is all I could find on Pubmed.:
1.
[Treatment of whooping cough by high altitude flight in the Brazilian Air Force.] (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12983854)
VILLALONGA J, LINS FILHO W.
Rev Med Aeronaut. 1952 Mar;4(1):95-108. Undetermined Language. No abstract available. PMID: 12983854 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related articles (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=link&linkname=pubmed_pubmed&uid=12983854)


2.
[High altitude flight treatment of whooping cough.] (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13392902)
MANSCHIEBEL A, SIEGL J.
Wien Klin Wochenschr. 1956 Sep 28;68(38-39):761-3. German. No abstract available. PMID: 13392902 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related articles (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=link&linkname=pubmed_pubmed&uid=13392902)


3.
[Treatment of whooping cough in children with altitude flight and low pressure chamber.] (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13480133)
GROSSMANN P.
Dtsch Gesundheitsw. 1957 Sep 26;12(39):1192-6. German. No abstract available. PMID: 13480133 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related articles (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=link&linkname=pubmed_pubmed&uid=13480133)


4.
[The effects of high altitude treatment on whooping cough.] (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14391047)
VON HARNACK GA.
Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 1955 Jun 24;80(25):958-61. German. No abstract available. PMID: 14391047 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related articles (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=link&linkname=pubmed_pubmed&uid=14391047)


5.
[Treatment of whooping cough by means of high-altitude flights.] (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13351353)
HARTER W.
Riv Med Aeronaut. 1956 Apr-Jun;19(2):351-8. Italian. No abstract available. PMID: 13351353 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related articles (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=link&linkname=pubmed_pubmed&uid=13351353)


6.
Altitude treatment for whooping cough. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1859970)
Hall D.
BMJ. 1991 Jul 6;303(6793):58. No abstract available. PMID: 1859970 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related articles (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=link&linkname=pubmed_pubmed&uid=1859970)Free article (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1859970)


7.
Altitude treatment for whooping cough. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2043838)
Casey PA.
BMJ. 1991 May 18;302(6786):1212. No abstract available. PMID: 2043838 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related articles (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=link&linkname=pubmed_pubmed&uid=2043838)Free article (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2043838)


8.
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Wahlström L.
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[Momtezuma Tuatara]

and we can't possibly have any abstracts!!!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Here is the full text from the 1955 BMJ Banks:

[Fièvre]

Momtezuma Tuatara ,

Did you find english-written explanations from René Jacquier about his method ( bol d'air Jacquier ) ? I have not much more to give !

Concerning pertusis treatments : I happened to know that ozone therapy was a possibility...from 1900 up to before WWII ( safe ? usefull ?) [ this might be somehow theorically connected to Jacquier's method]

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

No I didn't find english explanations.... I've no idea about ozone treatment.

[Fièvre]

Dr. Donatient L. Abbe, ( Labbé would be the correct spelling ) is supposed to have stated around 1880 (?)
This constancy and continuity of action enables us to be still more strongly affirmative than we were earlier in our researches and we do not hesitate to say that OZONE is a remedy par excellence for whooping cough. see :http://oxyfiles.org/oxyfiles/oxy00389.html

Hospital Bouvicant should probably be read in Hospital Boucicaut

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Fascinating. http://www.bom.gov.au/inside/oeb/atmoswatch/aboutozone.shtml

Exactly how would ozone have been given?

[Fièvre]

I don't know -yet- how ozone had been given . [...And I should stress that I don't know how adaquate/dangerous this treatment was/is ] . I just found a few minutes ago this book - in French- : http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5620771g.image.f2 ....

It is clearly by inhalation but how exactly???

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

:lol: I think I'd rather take an airplane.

[Fièvre]

Indeed ozone is said to be very toxic...for the lungs . On Ozonetherapy I found : http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9XN1eU0RlUoJ:www.moh.gov.my/MohPortal/DownloadServlet%3Fid%3D1009%26type%3D2+european+so ciety+of+ozonetherapy&hl=fr&gl=fr&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiVdPVbKAwhx9mTk0hvn5ooKFRd4DWm6ENQknta euTE4Lu5gYSFDT7ATxmaH9iRJrYZRw3YSLFnvAeNkokFCyRnNq EWpTn9pdmFaMBuyOLcKKnV702ox_gPHLoSCo1OUMFSWKff&sig=AHIEtbQUwrXo1Lf3S8gGfX5dUXMzVkfRqQ

http://oxidation-therapy.com/pdfs/OzoneBioregulator.pdf ( an article by Pr Velio Bocci ) The activation of immunocompetent cells

and concerning ondotology : Rickard GD, Richardson RJ, Johnson TM, McColl DC, Hooper L. Ozone therapy for the treatment of dental caries. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2004, Issue 3. Art. No.: CD004153. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD004153.pub2 This version first published online: July 19. 2004

Far from pertussis !!!!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Added stuff in the first post

[Fièvre]

there http://www.infovaccin.fr/198103.html
You'll find an article by Dr Jules Crochet who used airplanes to cure whooping cough . Originally published in Médecine Aéronautique, tome 5, n° 1, 1er trimestre 1950 .

about Dr Crochet : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Crochet
[sorry all is in French; I've been told that the LNPLV page on Dr Crochet is in progress]

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Babblefish french translated to babblefish english is very funny to read...

[MinorityView]

thank goodness computers can't do everything better than us humans :)

[Fièvre]

And here is....a video : http://www.aviation-languedoc.com/vol_coqueluche.html http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgjm1l_le-vol-coqueluche-invente-par-le-docteur-mater_travel

Jean Claude Russo has been practising such flights since 1972

Montezuma : I believe someone you know well might step by to the aéroclub de Pézenas - Nizas : http://www.acpezenas.fr/doku.php

[Fièvre]

C. Comolli studied barometric therapy /pertussis ( in italian pertosse ) in the 1950 . I quote this man because he may have studied vit C treatment too ( it is what I inferred from very short excerpts about "teropia acidifiante nella pertosse". (La thérapeutique acidifiante de la coqueluche)

[lundall]

Have anyone tried staying at 10 000 feet for a few days to get the same effect as the aeroplane to heal pertussis?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Have anyone tried staying at 10 000 feet for a few days to get the same effect as the aeroplane to heal pertussis?

Where would you do that, and how? And seriously, if you had a child with pertussis why would you want to go and STAY at 10,000 feet for a few days, when it can be done in an airplane in 30 - 60 minutes?

[Fièvre]

Lundall,

You may go ( by airplane ...) to Austria ...(See http://www.hypoxia.at/Aktuelles/files/16.10.2008_13:24:26.html ) ...and try a therapy using an hypobaric chamber .

(Keuchhusten = pertussis)

[Fièvre]

Momtezuma ,

In the list of references you published above you cited D Hall ( from Princess of Whales Royal Air Force hospital) "altitude treatment for whooping cough " writting there is no abstract. in fact , there is a full free version....of this very very short article ,which is very interesting since the author states having experience this treatment FOR 40 (sic) years without any known complications see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1670293/?page=1

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

If you're going by aeroplane anywhere, why not use an unpressurised one as specified.. , and land back near home within an hour? Seems hugely expensive and unnecessary to travel somewhere and incur massive other expenses.... when a simple flight does the trick...