Neuro linguistic programming

[Barefoot]

Is it me or someone else?
NLP has come a long way since it was developed as an alternative tool to change undelying patterns of thought and commication to change mental or emotional behaviour.
When used for postive purposes such as self improvement or say mental helath problems in can be a brilliant tool. It can help us to retain ownership of our mind if we aware that it can be used bt TPTB for propaganda reasons too.
We were taught some basics in homeopthy to allow us to get in rapport with our clients and some people know how to use this to help them in things like job interviews. This is as simple as mirrowing the other persons body language and speech patterns. We were taught to observe if our clients were visual, Auditory or kinesthetic learners so we could use the same language back to them to increase rapport and communication.
see http://www.vaknlp.com/
A person who has studied NLP for example would never use that kind of speech that when making a statement raises the pitch of the voice on the last word as it makes you look like you are asking a quetion and do not sound sure of your self.
Lawyers know how to manipulate juries with these methods, they pace their speech and pitch of voice with the correct emphasis on key words and repetition of key words.

Nowadays public and government bodies and corporations train staff in NLP methods, polititicians advertising people also of course as well as the vaccinators. LOL

Please watch these video clips for a basic introduction to NLP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YldcHVChC5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmyIukX2qXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiIJp3AyIWA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QajCAgr6RfY

“Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.”

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Your first URL is doubled up, and the last one is no longer available :D

[Barefoot]

Oh sorry about that i have corrected it.

So our self ownership can be under threat from various mind control methods and propaganda.
The key to this i feel is to understand the methods used and to retain a self awareness and observation. Rather than listen to a politicians speech for example observe the speech.

A very worring group who are well into mind control methods and producing the leaders of the future both in corporate and governmental bodies are common purpose. This ties into my thread about the communitarian agenda which is the antithesis of self ownership.
http://www.stopcp.com/cpmethods.php

[Mr. Beyondtheory]

NLP is very interesting. It is used in advertising a lot. A guy in America used it in his Speed Seduction Seminars, training males how to pick up lots of women. Someone gave me the tapes and I had a listen. I learnt a lot about the psychology of women and even applied some NLP ideas on a few women. I could see it worked, but I never really learnt it properly and practiced it as I am not into casual sex and seduction.

But the ideas were so interesting. This guy called it "mental origami". He talked about how you can frame your words to put people into certain emotional states. To pick up women you need to come across as a little dangerous, but still safe. You use phases like "it's just like when" to introduce stories and images that get people(women in this case) into the right mood. Ie. You're talking to a woman about films, and you could say, "I love films that have lots of ups and downs, just like in a roller coaster ride which takes you all the way up to that big big high then speeds down into dips in such a thrilling way that you can feel all your senses being turned on, you get on a natural high that just touches you in that special spot. It is such a thrill because you never know what is going to happen next, but you love the drama."

Do you get it?

Having said that Edward Bernay, the father of modern advertising was a Machiavellian master at manipulating the masses, and he never knew about NLP. It is mainly his ideas that the elites use to manipulate us. I guess that NLP is just one more tool in the box.

[Seaweed]

I love films that have lots of ups and downs, just like in a roller coaster ride which takes you all the way up to that big big high then speeds down into dips in such a thrilling way that you can feel all your senses being turned on, you get on a natural high that just touches you in that special spot. It is such a thrill because you never know what is going to happen next, but you love the drama. lmao i would see that one coming in slow motion. i get irritated by the insinuation we are simple. that said, i know a woman who does nlp. she cured a mutal friend of a life long totally irrational spider phobia. and i am not talking a mild fear, i am talking this woman used to spray a whole can of fly spray on the spider and then couldnt go back in the room for hours. and that was not coz of the toxic fumes either!

[Mr. Beyondtheory]

You're getting irritated over nothing imo. No-one is insinuating that women are simple. When did men ever think women are simple when it comes to relationships!!! The idea is that the sub-conscious mind responds not to concepts but to symbols and structures. The talk which I gave as an example would in reality be more subtle, and it aims to bypass the intellectual discriminating mind. Obviously the person concerned would need to be a bit open. It's a percentage game I suppose....but like I said, I am no expert at it, and I listened to the tapes years ago.

It does work as you say. someone did it on me in the kitchen of a party the night before I gave a speech. I told her I was going to give a speech (anti vaccine as it turns out), and she did NLP on me to prepare me to give a speech that had a good outcome etc. The next day I gave the best speech I ever have given. So I know it works. But you have to be open to some extent....

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Someone once said to me that I was the most complicated woman they had ever met. perhaps that's to do with the fact that to survive childhood, it was much more important for me to understand what was not said, rather than what was said....

[Seaweed]

there is an insinuation we are simple if men who normally would have no sucess just need to talk to us in a more manipulative way and our pants are off so to speak. that was what i meant. and the thing is. they are still the same person regardless of what the mouth is opening and saying. preparing someone to give a speech is a totally different thing. or "curing" someone of a phobia is too. as in both those instances the person being worked on desires the outcomes to be what it is. and yes MT i am with you there as interpersonal relations it really is what isnt said which is the most important thing to understand.

[Mr. Beyondtheory]

What can I say Seaweed? I have never said NLP is not manipulative. Of course it is, though I think it can also be a rather useful mind tool.

And I have never said or even insinuated that all women are simple. You need to get your facts straight. I have said that NLP is effective on both men and women (fact). I have said that NLP is sometimes used by some men to seduce women, and it is probably successful to some degree. I have also said it is used successfully in advertising on the general population, which inc.s men and women.

Now if I have said that NLP is used by advertising on both men and women, and is successful (and I totally believe this), by applying your logic I am saying that ALL men and women are SIMPLE!!!! The whole population.

That's rubbish and you know it. So be offended away if you like, about something I have categorically not insinuated (that women are ALL simple). Or that women are simpler than men.

I can actually spot another rather biased generalisation on your own part in your accusations towards me: that men who use NLP to seduce women ( perhaps about .0001% of men, or less) are all unsuccessful 100% of the time with women. That is a surprising generalisation you are making about people you have never met. My own feeling is that some of them are probably players and just want to increase their already quite high "success". Believe it or not, it is not only ugly drippy men who want to sleep around and put notches on their bedposts.

[Seaweed]

lol the beauty of the net. irritation is not offended where i come from and you did say

I learnt a lot about the psychology of women and even applied some NLP ideas on a few women. I could see it worked, but I never really learnt it properly and practiced it as I am not into casual sex and seduction.
i was projecting!!! the world is full of ppl who are susceptible to advertising but i would like to think, i would not fall for some guy who tried that as there is soooo much more to it than the words that come out of their mouths. that was all lol nothing deep and no panties in a wad here.

[Mr. Beyondtheory]

Good to see you are not offended Seaweed, though you were being quite critical, and seemed a tad upset.

I did say I learnt a lot about the psychology of women, just like if the guy on the tapes had been talking about NLP specifically used in advertising to the general population I would've said I'd learnt a lot about the psychology of people. Nothing offensive there I would think.....

And yes, I do think men and women think a little differently. There is no value judgement in believing that.

Have a nice day!