Polio epidemic spreads through Africa

[Dozytoes]

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6250161/Polio-epidemic-spreads-through-Africa
Polio epidemic spreads through Africa

Published: Wednesday 08 April 2009 12:40 UTC
Last updated: Wednesday 08 April 2009 13:13 UTC

Polio is once again on the rise in Africa, according to the International Red Cross Committee in Geneva. The disease has spread from Nigeria and the south of Sudan to 15 other African countries, including Angola, Uganda and Congo where the disease had been eradicated last year. The Red Cross is pumping 1.6 million euros into a vaccination campaign to curb the epidemic and says that earlier immunisation programmes were effective.

[Spy]

says that earlier immunisation programmes were effective

Yeah, obviously. :alien:

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

So successful, that polio is now spreading through Africa. Hmm......

[Barefoot]

Could this be linked to Africa using DDT again?

https://listserv.umd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0709c&L=ecolog-l&P=484

http://www.malaria.org/saddtdec2000.html

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

You'd have to go back through the data for all the years to know the answer to that question. But I would think that there could be a link.

[ema-adama]

I do not know if this is the right place to ask this question or not.

I have read about DDT and polio and the fact that DDT poisoning can present as polio, including cattle presenting with paralysis. However, I have not managed to understand how this happens. Do you have to inhale DDT? Ingest it? Have it applied topically? Does it matter? In the textbooks I found on line, it kept mentioning these effects in insects, but I could not find out just how it poisons the nervous system. Is there any sort of discussion on dosage?

Here there were whole populations who were sprayed with DDT when they arrived in Israel in the late 40's and I was unable to see a huge shift in paralysis amoungst the sprayed population.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

DDT was not used Licensed or used in Israel until the year that the first polio outbreak occurred, according to records I viewed years ago.... so either the records were lies, or the spray wasn't DDT.

DDT/lead arsenate, and a raft of other agrichemicals, apart from being a general biochemical disruptor, had a particular affinity with nerves, and the potential to cause gut lining damage, which made the gut lining like a colander, and that would, for some people, be an "open sesame" trigger.

DDt was in those days spread everywhere.

This was a common advertisement of the time:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f71/Angladrion/ddt2.jpg

As a powder in draws. Bed clothes were even washed in the stuff. Kids were sprayed with it. window sills, and air in houses was sprayed with the stuff from Flit sprayers... Here's an ad for the sprayer used:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f71/Angladrion/flit-1.jpg

[MinorityView]

I vaguely remember DDT being used to treat concentration camp survivors to prevent outbreaks of typhus or something like that. However, I would imagine that the death and illness rate in that group would be very high, so the exact results of the DDT might not have been spotted amidst all the other problems.

With DDT and polio, does polio have to actually be present or can DDT cause paralysis all by itself?

[Dozytoes]

Have they yet isolated a *polio* virus? I'm wading my way through Janine Roberts' book, "Fear of the Invisible" and am getting a bit bogged down as to whether the polio virus has actually been isolated at all?

We are, and have been, told so many lies by the medical profession, it is hard to work out what *is* true.

[ema-adama]

http://rapidshare.com/files/234790603/polio_in_israel_1950-1951.pdf.html

This was a study done in 1950-51 in Israel.... sorry, I thought it was from 1948-49.

Anyway, there was a huge controversy here as the populations that came in from north african and arabic countries were sprayed with DDT as their country of origin was 'dirty' or some such thing. Still today it is a hurt in the groups of people who were seen as inferior.

I only found out about it when I was working in a rehab hospital and I was reading through a medical file that mentioned that the patient had been sprayed with DDT. I had never heard of DDT before that :o

MT - those adverts are quite horrifying :shock:

MV - I have the same question

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

With regard to the virus issue. Either you accept the medical literature which has defined three types of polio viruses, and hundreds of different strains of them and has genetically identified those strains, or you don't accept that. If you don't accept that the medical literature has any validity with regard to the existence of a bacteria or a virus, then you can go no further with any other question relating to that.

if you believe there is no polio virus, then you have to construct your own alternate theory as to what polio was. So then, you would have to take people you KNEW had had no exposure to this virus you don't believe exists :giggle:and use DDT on them, to see if it causes polio. Of course, if the virus you don't believe exists, does actually exist, and is in that person's system, you won't see that your study is automatically skewed. :eek:

Naturally the same applies to any "reverse" argument :LMAO:

64 million dollar question.

Somewhere there has to be a baseline, so first you have to decide what your baseline is, and that's not something I can do for you.

If you accept that viruses and bacteria exist, and that DDT and other compounds could seriously undermine how a body works, and create a susceptibility within which a virus or bacteria could flourish, then again, you have to work out what THAT mechanism could be.


With DDT and polio, does polio have to actually be present or can DDT cause paralysis all by itself?

I've not been able to find a definitive answer to that question from medical literature, partly because... if they didn't believe there was a relationship, then they wouldn't have done the studies to show that. And if any studies had been done which accidentally showed a relationship, where are they? I have not yet found good online records to tell me what was published way back then.

Ideally in order to answer that, you'd have to have to: prove conclusively to your audience that there was a virus.

This presents problems, because even if you find one, there will always be someone who will say, "But how do we know that that is actually the virus?" And if you say,"Well, if you inject it into X Y and Z it causes ABand c consistently", the naysayer comes back and says, "Oh but how do you know that 'it' is doing that? It could be the injection, or the muck you are putting with it, or ..." And so I can see that PROVING anything to a determined naysayer will be damned near impossible.

In terms of studies in the medical literature, you'd need to prove existence of a virus, and existence of action of DDT, BUT you'd have to know what DDT did on it's own first.

Again, I've only been able to find limited documentation on anything related to that.

BUT there is no doubt from SABIN's work, that the USA military in Phillipines who used a huge arsenal of toxic chemicals, had very high rates of polio in Phillipines. Sabin didn't connect the sprays with the polio. the only thing he looked at was whether the virus showed up in the people with paralysis (he said it did) and whether or not the locals, (who never got paralysis in any way shape or form in those days) had the virus as well, ....and 100% of them had "immunity".

the indigenous communities considered polio to be white man's disease.

Which side you take on the issue, will depend on your baseline.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

http://rapidshare.com/files/234790603/polio_in_israel_1950-1951.pdf.html



I can't work out this link. I ckicked on free user and was told I couldn't.

If you want to share a pdf, then all you need to to is upload it into your post.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Here are a couple of pages taken out of a report. How come we're not hearing this in the media?

In case you're wondering where this came from, it is the first two pages of part three 2008 Ann Rep on this page http://www.cdc.gov/NCIRD/annual-rpts/default.html