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Barefoot
29-05-09, 05:48 PM
The best defence against this is the unethical vaccine ingredients themselves and the reply to "every child has a right to receive vaccination" is "every child should have the same rights as adults to decline or boycott any commerical products that they or their parents feel to be unethical, contain ingredients they have moral objections to, may harm them and made by companies who they know to have commited fraud, genocide or that runs against their moral or philosophical beliefs.

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/compulsory-vax/

Contrary to assurances given by the UK Government to leading politicians, fears earlier this year that the Government is moving to make the vaccination schedule compulsory for British citizens without reference to Parliament, and without public debate seem to be being borne out.
New law introduced by the backdoor in January this year obliges the Secretary of State for Health to implement any recommendations of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation: UK Government Hands Drug Industry Control of Childhood Vaccination (http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/2009/03/08/pharma-decide-uk-vaccination/).

Under the new law, the JCVI is now asking [full quote below]:-



what exactly ‘right’ meant with respect to the right of a child to receive a vaccine when their parents were opposed to vaccination and




[I]how the constitution affected the recommendations of the JCVI [U]with respect to legal challenge.’“

In other words, if a parent does not want a child vaccinated but the JCVI have recommended all children be vaccinated, the JCVI are asking can their recommendation be challenged by the parent. It would seem once they have their answer, they will decide whether or not to make their recommendation. This appears one step from compulsory vaccination for children regardless of parental views or concerns.
If the JCVI decide to make their recommendation, and a legal case ensues this might mean a Guardian is appointed by the State to represent the interests of the child and through the Guardian sue its own parents to insist on the “right” to be vaccinated as mandated by the JCVI. The parents would in effect be forced to defend the case against their own child brought through the Guardian to oppose their own child being vaccinated. Once the first case was decided, the matter would be settled in practical terms for all UK parents.


Thus the UK appears to be on the verge of ‘1984′ style legislation and guidelines in which freedoms are taken away from citizens framed in terms of rights granted. And this has happened without political or public debate, scrutiny or democratic vote.
The newly published draft minutes for the JCVI in February (http://www.advisorybodies.doh.gov.uk/jcvi/Draft_Minutes_18_Feb_2009.pdf) disclose that the new status granted it by Health Minister Dawn Primarolo by executive order in January seem designed to tie up with unmentioned provisions in the new National Health Service Constitution.

According to the JCVI minutes (http://www.advisorybodies.doh.gov.uk/jcvi/Draft_Minutes_18_Feb_2009.pdf) the new NHS constitution states:

‘You have the right to receive the vaccinations that the Joint Committee on Vaccinations and Immunisation recommend that you should receive under an NHS provided national immunisation programme.’

And:

‘You should participate in important public health programmes such as vaccination.’
The minutes (http://www.advisorybodies.doh.gov.uk/jcvi/Draft_Minutes_18_Feb_2009.pdf) state:

‘The JCVI was pleased the recommendations of the committee would have the force of law behind it. The committee asked for clarification on the constitution including what exactly ‘right’ meant with respect to the right of a child to receive a vaccine when their parents were opposed to vaccination and how the constitution affected the recommendations of the JCVI with respect to legal challenge.’

Irrespective of the any benefits of a vaccine programme the constitutional implications of this change are concerning.
The JCVI is by law now a law unto itself and flexing its muscles despite a history of disregard for safety issues over the past 20 years and more.
It is unclear what ultimate responsibility the JCVI bears for its actions, or if any sanctions apply to it. The criterion for recommendations by the JCVI is purely on “cost-effectiveness” not safety - a re-statement of the committee’s defective historical remit. JCVI members have financial and professional associations with vaccine manufacturers. No action has been taken to curb this.
Any ordinary concept of legality appears subverted, and power ceded to industry insiders.
This has taken place without democratic reference: compulsory vaccination is not part of any party’s policy and it has never been debated in Parliament.
If this is going to happen at all there should be extensive consultations, safeguards, debate and a vote. Everyone concerned about this matter should urgently contact their MP, whose address can be found here http://tinyurl.com/ljxtgv .

Momtezuma Tuatara
29-05-09, 05:57 PM
Yup, the writing is definitely on the wall.

Dozytoes
29-05-09, 11:11 PM
Guess we'll never be going home again then! Vowed and declared to dh when we came to Australia that if vaccination became compulsory here I would take dd back to England. Never thought they'd go down the road of compulsory vaccination. It'll be a sad day if this comes to fruition - the UK has enjoyed much freedom over the years from medical harrassment. :( I hope for the sake of all my non-vaccinating friends in the UK that it all blows over.

Discussions with various people here in Oz have suggested that Australia will be reluctant to make vaccination compulsory because to do so they would have to provide a compensation programme - anyone know if this is the case? Does that apply to any country wishing to legally mandate vaccines?

Momtezuma Tuatara
30-05-09, 10:02 AM
I think the GB is now one of the most "big brother" countries in the world. Cameras everywhere, child protection services which are kidnappers in disguise; Southall and Meadows' pervasive influence continues; Baron-Cohen continually spouting nonsense... honestly, as far as I'm concerned, (and I was born there), UK can sink into the ocean.

Not that it will need to. Within 20 years, the Islamic component of UK will be so large that "Paliament" will be Islamic, and UK under Sharia Law, as will much of the rest of Europe.

But let's not be complacent, because Australia and New Zealand, in terms of repressive mirages supposedly masquerading as democracy, aren't far behind.

MinorityView
30-05-09, 11:04 AM
Reading a biography of FDR (Roosevelt) today. Section on WW I and Wilson's leadership, remarks in passing on how Progressive movements easily become coercive movements. The Progressives in the U.S. did much good, cleaning up slums, for example, but a lot of harm, passing Prohibition (to ban alcohol) for example.

Interesting.

magical1
30-05-09, 12:47 PM
Perhaps we should come up with something like this to suit our various countries....



Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety

I (Physician’s name, degree)_________________________, _____ am a physician licensed to practice medicine in the State of ________________ . My State license number is _______________ , and my DEA number is _______________. My medical specialty is ________________________
I have a thorough understanding of the risks and benefits of all the medications that I prescribe for or administer to my patients. In the case of (Patient’s name) ___________________________ ,
age _________ , whom I have examined, I find that certain risk factors exist that justify the recommended vaccinations. The following is a list of said risk factors and the vaccinations that will protect against them:
Risk Factor Vaccination
__________________________________________________ ___ _______________________________
__________________________________________________ ___ _______________________________
__________________________________________________ ___ _______________________________
__________________________________________________ ___ _______________________________
__________________________________________________ ___ _______________________________
__________________________________________________ ___ _______________________________
__________________________________________________ ___ _______________________________
__________________________________________________ ___ _______________________________
I am aware that vaccines typically contain many of the following fillers:
· aluminum hydroxide
· aluminum phosphate
· ammonium sulfate
· amphotericin B
· animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
· dog kidney, monkey kidney,
· chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
· calf (bovine) serum
· betapropiolactone
· fetal bovine serum
· formaldehyde
· formalin
· gelatin
· glycerol
· human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
· hydrolized gelatin
· mercury thimerosol (thimerosal, Merthiolate®)
· monosodium glutamate (MSG)
· neomycin
· neomycin sulfate
· phenol red indicator
· phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
· potassium diphosphate
· potassium monophosphate
· polymyxin B
· polysorbate 20
· polysorbate 80
· porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
· residual MRC5 proteins
· sorbitol
· tri(n)butylphosphate,
· VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and
· washed sheep red blood
www.wellnessshow.blogspot.com (http://www.wellnessshow.blogspot.com/), http://www.909shot.com (http://www.909shot.com/), http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/204991.aspx (http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/204991.aspx)
www.novaccine.com (http://www.novaccine.com/) www.childhoodshots.com (http://www.childhoodshots.com/)
and, hereby, warrant that these ingredients are safe for injection into the body of my patient. I have researched reports to the contrary, such as reports that mercury thimerosal causes severe neurological and immunological damage, and find that they are not credible.
I am aware that some vaccines have been found to have been contaminated with Simian Virus 40 (SV 40) and that SV 40 is causally linked by some researchers to non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and mesotheliomas in humans as well as in experimental animals. I hereby warrant that the vaccines I employ in my practice do not contain SV 40 or any other live viruses. (Alternately, I hereby warrant that said SV-40 virus or other viruses pose no substantive risk to my patient.)
I hereby warrant that the vaccines I am recommending for the care of (Patient’s name) _______________ _______________________ do not contain any tissue from aborted human babies (also known as “fetuses” or Human Diploid Tissue).
In order to protect my patient’s well being, I have taken the following steps to guarantee that the vaccines I will use will contain no damaging contaminants.
STEPS TAKEN: __________________________________________________ __________________
__________________________________________________ ________________________________
__________________________________________________ ________________________________
__________________________________________________ ________________________________

I have personally investigated the reports made to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) and state that it is my professional opinion that the vaccines I am recommending are safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years.
The bases for my opinion are itemized on Exhibit A , attached hereto, – “Physician’s Bases for Professional Opinion of Vaccine Safety.” (Please itemize each recommended vaccine separately along with the bases for arriving at the conclusion that the vaccine is safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years.)
The professional journal articles I have relied upon in the issuance of this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety are itemized on Exhibit B , attached hereto, – “Scientific Articles in Support of Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety.”
The professional journal articles that I have read which contain opinions adverse to my opinion are itemized on Exhibit C , attached hereto, – “Scientific Articles Contrary to Physician’s Opinion of Vaccine Safety.”
The reasons for my determining that the articles in Exhibit C were invalid are delineated in Attachment D , attached hereto, – “Physician’s Reasons for Determining the Invalidity of Adverse Scientific Opinions.”


Hepatitis B
I understand that 60% of patients who are vaccinated for Hepatitis B will lose detectable antibodies to Hepatitis B within 12 years.
I understand that in 1996 only 54 cases of Hepatitis B were reported to the CDC in the 0-1 year age group.
I understand that in the VAERS, there were 1,080 total reports of adverse reactions from Hepatitis B vaccine in 1996 in the 0-1 year age group, with 47 deaths reported.
I understand that 50% of patients who contract Hepatitis B develop no symptoms after exposure.
I understand that 30% will develop only flu-like symptoms and will have lifetime immunity.
I understand that 20% will develop the symptoms of the disease, but that 95% will fully recover and have lifetime immunity.
I understand that 5% of the patients who are exposed to Hepatitis B will become chronic carriers of the disease.
I understand that 75% of the chronic carriers will live with an asymptomatic infection and that only 25% of the chronic carriers will develop chronic liver disease or liver cancer, 10-30 years after the acute infection.
The following scientific studies have been performed to demonstrate the safety of the Hepatitis B vaccine in children under the age of 5 years.
__________________________________________________ _________________________________
__________________________________________________ _________________________________
__________________________________________________ _________________________________

In addition to the recommended vaccinations as protections against the above cited risk factors, I have recommended other non-vaccine measures to protect the health of my patient and have enumerated said non-vaccine measures on Exhibit D , attached hereto, “Non-vaccine Measures to Protect Against Risk Factors.”
I am issuing this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety in my professional capacity as the attending physician to (Patient’s name) ________________________________. Regardless of the legal entity under which I normally practice medicine, I am issuing this statement in both my business and individual capacities and hereby waive any statutory, Common Law, Constitutional, UCC, international treaty, and any other legal immunities from liability lawsuits in the instant case.
I issue this document of my own free will after consultation with competent legal counsel whose name is _____________________________, an attorney admitted to the Bar in the State of __________________

__________________________________ (Name of Attending Physician)


__________________________________ L.S. (Signature of Attending Physician)


Signed on this _______ day of ______________ A.D. ________

Witness: ___________________________________ Date: ________________________

Notary Public: ______________________________ Date: ________________________

kiah
30-05-09, 03:19 PM
I really hope this doesn't happen!!
My younger sister is getting married in 4 months then moving to the UK with her husband for 3 years (he has a contract as a prof sports man) and they want to have children asap after getting married. She has just begun to study vaccines and is appauled at the so-called 'side effects' and horrendous reactions which go unreported! She said she honestly feels not vaccinating is the best option, whereas before she started reading up was un-decided.

I feel sick just thinking we could be forced into this!
:(

Barefoot
30-05-09, 07:01 PM
They have left themselves in a pickle for children aged 12-16 though.
Our Government in its wisdom decided that girls and boys over 12 are gillick competant so can make their own vaccine choices.
This actually backfired in one aspect with the the HPV vaccine as many gilrs refused the jab even though their parents gave consent.
so it seems if your children are 12 or over they may safe in the UK from mandatory vaccs by the back door until they change the law at least or be shown up to be complete and utter hypocrites.

MinorityView
30-05-09, 08:50 PM
Good! I'm so glad when people trying to do something dirty shoot themselves in the ass.

Barefoot
02-06-09, 01:43 AM
Will wales be a testing ground for compulsory MMR under assembly laws rather than JCVI.

Could be, this may be so as today Welsh Assembly member Lynne Neagle calls for an debate on this.
Also wales has a low population compared england, i think they said there were only 45,000 non MMR vaxxed, many many times less than England so easier to enforce.
see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8076923.stm