Help me avoid the Drs........ PLEASE (ugly photos inside)

[3monkeys]

My 3 year old son got a scratch on his ear, couldnt stop playing with it and now its horribly infected. He has transfered the infection to his nostril and to a scratch beside his mouth. I have vit c'ed him right up. Still am. I have an immune booster here with olive oil etc but I cant get him to swallow the capsules and I chewed one up just to see and there is NO WAY he will eat or drink that. I have done the manuka honey, SA, parafin dressing thing and its still getting worse, ir more pustules coming up and the gauge that was the back of his ear getting deeper. I really have no options left. He has miserable and has a temp etc and in my very very humble opinion his body is doing its best to fight it. I have my sister here and her and my husband are telling me to take him to the nurses. I know they will chuck ABs at him but I am so reluctant. He has only ever had one course before and that one was given reluctantly. He has had no pamol or anything so what I am seeing is what he is feeling etc, not masked by anything. I really dont know what to do. My gut is saying he can still heal it without abs, but its hard when people are in your ear and your son is miserable. Esp as I have been trying for a good week to reduce it and its continuously getting worse. Doesnt help that he keeps reacting to the tape etc so its looks worse than what it is too.

Heres some really gross photos..........

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[Quickening]

That kind of looks like golden staph from what I've seen of a friend of mine who's a carrier. I understand feeling the pressure with people in your ear, I went through that with a 7 month old baby, a severe UTI and my mum who I was staying with at the time.

Have you tried crushing the tablets up into a fine powder along with some SA and mixing it with jam or honey? That is how I got my 3 year old to take immune boosting herb powders. He didn't like it the first few times so I offered juice which is a novelty at our place to wash it down. Now we have this little routine where he takes the jam, drinks water down and goes YAY!!!!!

If you think its getting worse with the honey dressing, perphas try Grapefruitseed extract to rinse it off with regularly through the day (air dry it properly afterwards).

There is some response I've heard of, where something gets a little worse before it gets better. I'm not sure what its called. Maybe that is what is happening here. How long have you been doing the honey dressing for? The body takes time to fight stuff like that. How is your son's diet? Bone broths full of herbs is a good way to get some immune fighting stuff into him. Probiotics help as well - eat fermented stuff, homemade yogurt, kefir etc.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

You are still breastfeeding, right??? I'd wash with saline solution, get out some very fine cotton or gauze pads and express breastmilk onto them until they are saturated. Apply them sodden even if they dribble everywhere. You might need to bandage up his head until he looks like something out of star wars. And he might not like that. But it's the price he pays for not leaving things alone. The other thing you could add into that if you felt it was worth it, was Transfer Factor. You could crap open a capsule and sprinkle the powder with with breastmilk and see whether the immune factors in all that lot would help.

Grizzled Gran used that on her MRSA which was just about everywhere and giving her doctor the conniptions, but she refused to use antibiotics etc, and she beat it...

[3monkeys]

Thank you Quickening and Hilary. If he would....... just....... stop....... picking.

No, I dont breastfeed him anymore, but I was thinking of expressing and giving it to him to drink.

His diet is pretty good........

Anyway, I will try some of those things. Its spreading into nostril no 2 now..... pusy nostrils, yummy.

I have my daughters 6th birthday on Wed and the MIL arriving who is forever giving mh husband grief for the health decisions we make for the kids so I hope its clearing up by then, cause I really dont need the fight it will cause if it hasnt......... I dont think it will be though :(

Poor kid.

[grandma of 4]

tell him if he leaves it alone he can come on the Perry boat and spend the weekend with grandma who will give him some T.L.C :hug:

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I know you don't breastfeed him, but you're still breastfeeding your youngest, so there is that whole array of immune factors I talk about in my paper that you read. Use them as "medicine"... I'm not sure that orally would be of use, but you could try.

You know, I'm pretty much a sergeant major, and you might not approve, but I'd tie him into large versions of baby mittens, just to bring the point home that he's his own worst enemy. That won't last long of course, but then you warn him that if he picks you will make his head into an egyptian mummy with two holes to look out of...

our younger one was a picker and I really got onto his case about it.

also, cut his nails reallllly short, and keep them short.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Actually, your mother might have it right. maybe he could go to her for your daughter's birthday. Then you MIL will see nothing, and know nothing?

[Seaweed]

I have seen this before I am sure. I just need to remember where. I think it was on my oldest years ago when we lived in Auckland. I thought it was impetigo? I used the essential oil blend in Valerie Worwood's book for impetigo on it & it went away. Normally none of the aromatherapy recipes work but this was during my AT period so I did it anyways as I was ever hopeful. I think it also had something shocking like tagetes oil in too which is a known skin sensitiser which should not really be put on broken skin. I am sure I caught whatever it was from her too & I think I used neat lavender oil on mine as the other blend did not work. It was so long ago now the details are a bit fuzzy.

In your position, I would stand my ground. I have a blanket no retreat no surrender policy with the in laws if I so happen to disagree with them. Bump up the SA orally, we've fixed a toxic insect bite with tissue cellulitis with just oral SA. I mix it with honey to get mine to eat it if they won't eat it neat. If he is not atopic in anyway shape or form, you could try some neat lavender or tea tree or manuka oil but just be very careful. It's probably too cold to go for a swim in the sea as well but salt water dressings could help?

[Nirvana]

I know turmeric has lots of antiseptic properties so why not include that in his diet alongwith garlic. I feel so sorry for your poor son. Really, those pics look like he's in pain and trouble. Hope he gets better soon. Do tell him that if he has to get better, then stop picking on them. I agree that you may have to get little strict about this problem at hand.

Big hugs to you and your son. Here's to hoping it clears up by Wednesday.

[3monkeys]

I absolutely hate myself. I am so incredibly disappointed with myself. I am sitting here almost on the verge of tears, and I wasnt going to tell you all that I caved, but you know what, I am also human, and as much as I hate ABs with a passion, I also hate that he is sick, and hate the pressure, and the bullshit, and right now I am so tired and so busy and I ahve tried so hard for a week, and I know in the scheme of things thats fark all, but I honestly dont have the energy..... and then this mornign after 15mls of the evil crap he has a cough, and now I know I have done the wrong thing, and I know that I should have listened to myself, and I also know that I have set myself up for a winter of illness most likely, and even more than giving him those stupid fucking abs, I have compromised him more. Hate hate hate hate it. So now to find some good probiotics and start getting him back in track....... and Mum, for that reason he wont be coming over in the weekend, becasue they last thing he needs right now is for Dad to load him up with sugar and crap.

You know the only thing thats stops me feeling like a failure right now is that I know I am a good person and a good mother even though I HATE this decision I will learn from it..................

Thank you all so much though. I like that I can come here and feel like people totally understand.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Stop beating yourself around the head woman. We love you. We all cave at times. I have. Every time we cave brings us closer to not caving the next time. We are all the product of previous bad judgement equaling experience... :bighug:

Now, also... have you a juice extractor? Get carrot and beetroot juice into him, whether he wants it or not. It's time to go feral with this kid. You. Will. Do. This, end of story. Do the carrot first and remove the fine carrot pulp. Mix that into cottage cheese with a decent oil, can be flaxseed or olive - plenty of parsley and celery leaves if you have them... toss some turmeric in as Nirvana suggested, tomato paste, and toss that into him. At least the mass of carrot pulp will provide the prebiotics for the probiotics.

Make sure that everything for him right now, is fruit, or vegetables, high fibre. He can eat as much as he wants, of the right stuff. If he has a baked potato, scoop out the middle and mash it, adding in onion, garlic and a wee bit of cheese and butter.

Toss garlic into him until he sprouts it.

Nothing right now is negotiable. your word is law.

Okay?

:D

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Oh, and feed the inlaws the same. That should shut them up. or cancel their invite..:D

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I used the essential oil blend in Valerie Worwood's book for impetigo on it & it went away. do you still have the book and can you put the recipe here?

[3monkeys]

Thanks Hilary....... and your right. I am determined to get past this next time. It also makes me appreciate that we all get sick despite our best efforts. I have had hardly any sleep and was a little bit emotional this morning. I am not a morning person at the best of times.........

He now has a horrible scabbed up face and due to his 2 left feetness a fat lip..... the MIL is going to think I am terrible, lol. At least the girls are staph and fat lip free. I dont know why she stresses me so much.

[magical1]

Hey sorry I've been out of the loop of late... I've had a Canadian Herbalist staying for the last two weeks. Any spare time when we weren't harvesting, brewing, squeezing, mixing, shopping, arguing!! he's been on the computer helping people.

I've only just picked up this thread... I've read over it quickly... but can't find where it says what the end diagnosis was.

If it was Staph Or MRSA I would have used essential oils on it. Either Lemon Grass, Geranium or tea tree.

Hey I understand how helpless you felt. I've handed my child over to be operated on in the past because I just didn't know what else to do. You will do all the right things to build him up again and that is the difference between you and a parent that blindly takes the treatment and then doesn't do any damage control afterwards.

Anyhoo I have learnt heaps over the last couple of weeks and have a million potions to share with you all.

[Wonder-Full]

Oh big hugs. It's very hard to know the best thing to do when you're under pressure (whether that's yourself, others or just a crap situation). Would be far easier I reckon if we were just dealing with ourselves.

One thing I "use" to get my kids to take the unusual remedies (lol, like today because they have colds it was beetroot/carrot juice and also a garlic oil/lemon juice/honey mixture and then a ginger/vege soup) is talking about the remedies as being the armies moving in to have a battle with the germs and kicking their butts right out of there. Simple things seem to amuse and they lap it up (pun intended!).

[Seaweed]

I don't still have the book. I tossed it in disgust with the rest of my AT books. The problem with most of them is they are all just extrapolating the herbal knowledge & copying each other so at best, they are novels. You can treat things like MRSA with EOs I am just not sure which. The valerie worwood book should be in any library.

3Monkeys I have found living in a partially built house in an extremely high wind zone great for my zen detachment. As I can't stop the roof blowing off in a gale, I have learnt not to stress about the roof blowing off. Maybe I am just more removed from the m-i-l issue as I put my foot down years ago & said that she no longer comes near my kids. What I am trying to say, is I would be willing to bet you can't make her see the light so it may be worth letting it go & not worrying about her. Which is probably alot easier to say than do :D Note btw I still have caller ID so I can screen my m-i-ls calls.

I hope your boy gets better soon.

[gilima]

I just wanted to say that as mothers we all have "caved" at some point for something....life happens and we live and learn...please don't beat yourself up...you sound like such a caring and knowledgable mother.
just make sure do the right acidophilus etc;
one of my liitle one's is picker....definately keep those nails short.
I usually do a lot of treatment at night while he sleeps and I am a big fan of lavender eo for just about anything, I also like to propolis to pussy boobboo's...
mt, I love the breatmilk idea. question? what about frozen breastmilk ?? would it work as well...

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Answer, I've no idea.

Our youngest was a picker, and whenever he got a cut, I was on his case like a superglued limpet. I also did what 3monkeys has done and took photos, and used the whole episode as a "teaching" lesson.

There is such a thing as "healthy fear", and we certainly tried to instill in the children habits which are a respect for the fact that actions can have consequences.

With our oldest, this is very important, because in third world countries, the way they get the grass to grow on cricket pitches is to constantly water it with raw sewage, so when these guys get grazes they very quickly become infected. So our son carries a large supply elbow and knee "socks" which protect those parts, and can be washed in hot hot washes, or thrown out. He also knows how to clean out grazes that get through the barrier layers, and he knows it's important, because he's seen what happens when you don't.

He also knows that it's vital NOT to put your hands in your mouth at any time, when playing on those pitches, but sometimes in the heat of the moment, he forgets, and I see him on TV with a digit in his mouth.. :D He knows that if I see that, he will get an email from me, pointing out that he just loaded his gut with raw sewage, and instructions to load up on garlic, chilli, vitamin C and probiotics please.

I remain to this day, a sort of deterrant :D The human kind of verbal nuclear bomb so to speak. I have no truck with PCism when it comes to infection. Whatever it takes to get the message through, is what is dished up.

[Nirvana]

Hey sorry I've been out of the loop of late... I've had a Canadian Herbalist staying for the last two weeks. Any spare time when we weren't harvesting, brewing, squeezing, mixing, shopping, arguing!! he's been on the computer helping people.

I've only just picked up this thread... I've read over it quickly... but can't find where it says what the end diagnosis was.

If it was Staph Or MRSA I would have used essential oils on it. Either Lemon Grass, Geranium or tea tree.

Hey I understand how helpless you felt. I've handed my child over to be operated on in the past because I just didn't know what else to do. You will do all the right things to build him up again and that is the difference between you and a parent that blindly takes the treatment and then doesn't do any damage control afterwards.

Anyhoo I have learnt heaps over the last couple of weeks and have a million potions to share with you all.

I was wondering where you were at Magical :)

I can't wait for you to share those magic potions with us.

3monkeys, hope your DS is doing better now. Don't be so hard on yourself. It happens to most of us. You are doing a great job and your children are so lucky to have such a wonderful, intelligent mommy.

Big hugs to you.

[Quickening]

How is your DS now?


I understand feeling the pressure with people in your ear, I went through that with a 7 month old baby, a severe UTI and my mum who I was staying with at the time.


I should of mentioned Transfer Factor too. That is what I used with my 7 month old. She was lethargic, projectile vomiting and very, very listless and ill. One day of doses with TF and she was acting more like her old self. It was a very speedy recovery, I was astounded! This is something you might want to keep on hand for next time!

[3monkeys]

Thank you all so much.

He is getting better but has some staph in his fat lip and complains of a sore tongue all the time. He slept 16 hours straight the other night, and only woke to tell me "can you get out of my bedroom". I have learned a lot from this little experience though. First and most importantly is the old girl guide motto "be prepared". Esp living isolated (and boy it feels it some days) the difference between getting the things you need can be the difference between easily getting on top of something, ot having something turn nasty. Also I have learned that sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind and if it means bandaging hands and heads etc, so be it. The wee cut in his ear wasnt actually that bad and I think with the right "tools" I would have got on top of it. But when he became a bit rundown the staph took control and it spread really really quickly. But I guess cuts and scratches are perfect staph environments.

So whats transfer factor?

I recall a long time ago when we just started things here that we started a list of must haves. Any idea where it is? I really think as well as the day to day stuff I need to have things for all situations. Because I felt so helpless last week, and I had so much on, with DH away, and Ks birthday and people here etc, that I really was truly overwhelmed by the whole situation, and although I took the easy way at the time, I know for sure that its not the easy way in the long run and it will have its ramifications. Also I know that I am not prepared to take the "easy" road again next time.

The biggest thing I have learned from this is it will be ok and I guess that I had to go through this to learn that lesson..........

[Wonder-Full]

Glad to hear he's getting better! It is all such a learning curve isn't it? I wonder if that ever stops.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Just to reinforce Quickening here....
You are still breastfeeding, right??? I'd wash with saline solution, get out some very fine cotton or gauze pads and express breastmilk onto them until they are saturated. Apply them sodden even if they dribble everywhere. You might need to bandage up his head until he looks like something out of star wars. And he might not like that. But it's the price he pays for not leaving things alone. The other thing you could add into that if you felt it was worth it, was Transfer Factor. You could crap open a capsule and sprinkle the powder with with breastmilk and see whether the immune factors in all that lot would help.

Grizzled Gran used that on her MRSA which was just about everywhere and giving her doctor the conniptions, but she refused to use antibiotics etc, and she beat it... That was on page one of this thread...

Yes, it can be taken internally too, or both.

I'm not sure where you can get it down there.

The nearest 2007 reference google came up with was:

4 Life Research (Nelson) (http://www.fortifyyourself.com/)
20 Allan Street
Nelson

Transfer Factor Immune Support Health Products
Contact Shelley Burt
Ph 03 548 1492
E shelley@thepamperbar.co.nz (shelley@thepamperbar.co.nz)

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

No there is one in invercargill. Don't know if it's current:


Activities:
Independent Distributer of Transfer Factor & other 4Life Research products.

Head Office Contact Details:


Physical Address:
35 Inglewood Road, Invercargill 9810
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Telephone:
+64-3-217 1615
Fax:
+64-3-217 1077
Website:
http://www.healthykiwis.co.nz (http://www.healthykiwis.co.nz/) Brands/Trade Names/Agencies:
4Life Research
Transfer Factor

[3monkeys]

oh, thank you. I will ring them. Gonna get my hands on some of that. Esp as Kates starting to get a yellow pustule on a molluscum on her neck. I am not going to let it get out of control on her either. Also she had a good dose of staph when she was a baby and we managed to get rid of that so I know I can do it. She is still breastfeeding too, yay.

Ya know, try as hard as I may I could not express enough milk to even wet a cloth.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Ah. Well, that will make it a bit difficult then. :D

I'm sure that you will do just fine this time :hug: